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Post by sleepboy on Sept 13, 2009 8:59:47 GMT -8
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Post by meatbag on Sept 14, 2009 7:29:43 GMT -8
I love those Kanye bears but I'm scared to ask how much? Anyone?
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Post by thinkspace on Sept 15, 2009 18:47:01 GMT -8
Just curious, and maybe not the best place to start this discussion, but it's been on my mind and I wanted to toss it out there. With so much work, in such a short time, as always, it's rather obvious Mr. Murakimi hasn't created much of this work from his own hand. This is a common practice for those at the top of the art world and it seems to be openly accepted and it still doesn't sit right with me.
So, with this notion in mind, what if say, someone like Audrey or Keyes, announced they were hiring an army of assistants and their upcoming big shows this winter would feature works not actually created by their hand. Would all still be lining up to purchase their works? Some may argue there is a difference here, but why is that? I think this could make for a cool discussion and perhaps already on the boards somewhere and I've missed... but just tossing this out there for folks to think about.
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Post by ill on Sept 15, 2009 19:00:49 GMT -8
I think the argument for this practice would more or less be that the concept is the art, and therefore it doesn't really matter who "created" it since the artist still conceptualized it. That said, I don't really care for the practice, but I'm not in the position to buy art that's priced anywhere in the remote vicinity of these artists' stuff.
For some artists, as with Audrey, I definitely think it's the art and not the concept. Audrey doesn't necessarily have the most breakthrough ideas, but her execution and approach to the subject matter are unique and that's what makes her popular.
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Post by sleepboy on Sept 15, 2009 20:27:57 GMT -8
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Post by thinkspace on Sept 16, 2009 11:08:47 GMT -8
Just to keep this discussion going, as I am curious to hear what others think on this...
So it becomes product basically, designed by the artist. Sure, it looks nice, that's not the topic I'm aiming for here.
If not Kawasaki, how 'bout Keyes, who I feel is saying more with his work than Murakami or Koons could ever hope to. Speaking of, what is either attempting to say with their work by the way? So, lil' bears dressed up like a rapper are 'breakthrough ideas'? Just playing moderator here I guess, not picking battles with anyone... just keeping the flow going hopefully.
Todd Schorr went off on this in his recent interview in Juxtapoz, and it just really got me to thinking if that way of making art infiltrated our lil' bubble of the art world - how would folks feel? I mean, I agree for any artist to do three solo shows at once ala Murakami, one would need assistance, but what past greed is really fueling one to do this?
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Post by sleepboy on Sept 16, 2009 12:44:20 GMT -8
Hey Andrew, nice topic actually but I will start another thread in the General discussion section for it as it's a little off topic here. I thought there was another thread because this sounds familiar but I guess there isn't. |
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Post by thinkspace on Sept 16, 2009 16:48:38 GMT -8
I had checked too and thought there was - very cool.
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Post by meatbag on Sept 18, 2009 21:53:34 GMT -8
I think the argument for this practice would more or less be that the concept is the art, and therefore it doesn't really matter who "created" it since the artist still conceptualized it. The list goes long and deep including the likes of Warhol, Hirst, Koons ect. Murakami is very open about his techniques but in many ways you have to think bigger then that today. These artists think big, not just what should I toss of some canvas today. Our society is constantly evolving wanting more, better, bigger with hype wrapped in a cute little package. Like it or not branding has quickly snuck into the art scene very successfully. Building major statures, or installations take time and help to meet demand. And in this very same situation the top artist gets props for happy accidents sometimes made by jr.'s. It's called paying your dues to learn and work with the best. Read the book @ Murakami or the book Saatchi and Hirst put together something about a stuffed 12 million dollar shark. Will change your mind forever on this concept. With the tools available today we'll never see times like the 1800's ever again. Can either accept or watch it pass you buy cause the train aint stopping. What kind of house would turn out if 5 of your buddies put the whole thing together vs having Frank Llyod Right create and supervise the project. |
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