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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #75 on Jul 24, 2009, 4:43pm »
Looks like Jon Foster's painting was also used for a book cover back in 2006. Seems to be a popular book, the author has a full series going on.

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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #76 on Jul 24, 2009, 8:17pm »
Chet Zar I always like your work, but after reading what you have to say about this matter I now love your work. This kind of thing cannot be tolerated! And it makes me sick to my stomach when someone thinks that it's o.k to do stuff like this. Shepard, Chris Berens and hundreds of artist steal composition of paintings. But those artist are all dead. Never steal from a living working artist!!
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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #77 on Jul 26, 2009, 3:54am »
I'm totally with Chet on this. Not cool at all.
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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #78 on Jul 26, 2009, 1:57pm »

Jul 24, 2009, 3:54pm, svenman wrote:



as walter sobchak said - this is not 'nam, this is bowling, there are rules.


That is to funny, but so true
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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #79 on Jul 27, 2009, 12:37am »
I saw this on omg last week and was waiting to see if Mr Flores would come forward. It got me so irritated and I have no interest in buying any vinyl of his again. Plagiarism is offensive. f**ks with the artist he is ripping off, as well as his fans who trust they are purchasing original and creative material. Or are we not meant to view him as an artist from now on?
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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #80 on Jul 27, 2009, 1:01am »
It's best to just go up into a tree with a camera, in my opinion. People will always find out about these things, and anyway... what is fun about copying somebody else's painting?!
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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #81 on Jul 27, 2009, 3:39am »
What I really don´t get about this is, he must have been aware of the risk of being caught.

Why take the chance? It seems like he has been quite productive in the past, have a pretty solid fanbase, so why steal other peoples work and risk all that?

Seems like a very dumb move to me.
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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #82 on Jul 29, 2009, 7:31pm »
Definitely a let down for those of us who have been waiting for a big return. Really bummed.
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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #83 on Jul 29, 2009, 7:37pm »

Jul 27, 2009, 3:39am, origo wrote:
What I really don´t get about this is, he must have been aware of the risk of being caught.

Why take the chance? It seems like he has been quite productive in the past, have a pretty solid fanbase, so why steal other peoples work and risk all that?

Seems like a very dumb move to me.


Sam based several of his "Japanese" styles on Jakuchu Ito, a Japanese artist from the 1700's, as well as several other Edo period painters i believe. I don't have the time to get you images, but i am sure someone else will go look. He basically did the same thing that he did with Foster's work. Trace out and slap his character on top. Homage or plagiarism?





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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #84 on Jul 29, 2009, 11:45pm »
Well, it´s kinda hard to ask an artist who passed away.

But to steal a colleagues work and sell it as your own, is just bad moral and poor judgement.

In this case, definetely plagiarism and then some.
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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #85 on Jul 30, 2009, 12:17am »
This just came from a comment Sam made on OMG Posters. Hey people make mistakes and I really don't think this one should ruin his career... I forgive the guy:



First and foremost, I’d like to offer my sincerest apologies to anyone I’ve offended regarding a mistake I’ve made recently reinterpreting a Jon Foster image. Before I explain the carelessness that led to this, I want you to know that I have already contacted him directly and offered all compensation made from the posters, as well as a public apology for not thoroughly researching my source of inspiration. I was looking online awhile ago searching for old illustrations from the 1900s and came across a small image of a tree painting that I dragged to my desktop. It was on the same page as Arthur Rackham’s paintings, and my mistake was assuming it also belonged to Rackham, and revisiting the image without thorough research, i wanted to have one of my characters visiting his painting as sort of a homage not to pass it off as my own. There’s absolutely no excuse for this neglect on my behalf, and I’ve learned a huge lesson in all this to always do your homework. I never intended to deliberately use his art and pass it off as my own. My biggest regret, however, was meeting such a talented artist under such unfortunate and preventable circumstances, and undermining his work on account of my negligence. Once again, I apologize if I let anyone down and promise to be more responsible as a working artist humbly in the presence of exceptionally talented peers.
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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #86 on Jul 30, 2009, 12:44am »
It's good that he decided to speak about this so humbly... though if he's going to be lifting images from his betters, he should probably know a little more about them first. I'm pretty sure a t-shirt and khakis were not standard costume in Arthur Rackham's time. Rackham's aesthetic was fairly dissimilar to Jon Foster's, as well.

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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #87 on Jul 30, 2009, 12:52am »
Great to see Flores speak out and clear the air.

and I love Rackham's work, just got a book on him a little while ago. Beautiful style.
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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #88 on Jul 30, 2009, 2:44am »
Glad that Flores has made an apology about this situation.
The fact remains that this issue has raised awareness that Flores traces The work of others in order to create his output. Looking at this particular piece, I'd say that foster's original work was taken into a computer program such as illustrator and Digitally layer traced.
Does anyone know if there is an original artwork for this Flores piece or if it was created digitally as an editioned image only?
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Re: Sam Flores
« Reply #89 on Jul 30, 2009, 3:12am »
Wow I am a big Sam Flores fan, I own one of his paintings and it is still one of my favorites. I met him and he kind of seems like a stoner / party animal type. I really do believe him when he say he didn't know exactly what he was doing here. I totally agree with what Chet said and I hope Flores truly realizes how disgraceful this is. I forgive him this time but he better not do it again!
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