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Post by sleepboy on Jan 16, 2014 21:53:14 GMT -8
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Post by monsoonking on Jan 17, 2014 9:24:16 GMT -8
I applaud Josh for taking his work in a new direction, but I can't help but feel like these works are missing the mark. Some of them are downright...cheesy? These went lowbrow in a bad way. His traditional works felt like well crafted sculptures, infused with mystery, humor and whimsy. These are kind of clunky, almost like studies or unfully realized ideas.
Hopefully this is a case of one step back, two steps forward.
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Post by sleepboy on Jan 17, 2014 23:16:14 GMT -8
I must admit, I prefer his style from before. But, it would be nice to see some of these pieces in person or even see them in context on a wall as opposed to scans.
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Post by murdock on Jan 18, 2014 7:38:41 GMT -8
Yes, I was expecting more of a "show" element to this "online show". Can't help but think this is more of a "outlet/direct sale" than a "unique" let alone more direct way of presenting a new body of work...
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Post by ricosg11 on Jan 18, 2014 9:53:40 GMT -8
wonder how the galleries he works with feel about it?
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Post by jak1 on Jan 18, 2014 11:08:06 GMT -8
wonder how the galleries he works with feel about it? I lived in NYC and just moved to CT (right next to NYC). I know 2 of the gallerist's he has shown with and have bought works from both. I do not think either were pleased with the online show idea as it undermine's their business as a whole. Moveover, one of them felt that it would hurt the direction of his career, collector involvement, perception of his work and scale of audience. He basically thought it was career suicide, but, it may be that he was just bitter about it.. I will say that ask Lars Ulrich if he was happy about Napster and you can understand the reaction you would get.. It is not all fact based.. mostly just opinions mixed with emotions.. will be interesting to see how it actually plays out.. and let's be honest.. at the very least.. Josh can always treat it as an experiment and go back to his old model and any gallery would bend over backwards to have him do a show with 400 people begging for 10 paintings. I think it is a chance for Josh to take risks and have more control in the direction of his path. Mel Gibson did this.. Maybe that is a bad example.. Look at artists like Banksy, so far out of the box, if he listened to gallery folk and forum members we would never have half the works he produces. Moreover, movies and city occupations.. I like the experimenting and risk taking.. and I think Josh has such a HUGE safety net/plan B to fall back on that what is the harm.. perhaps a few people do not prefer the new style and a few art business types are not making money from it and they have become sour.. so what. Honestly, I did not care at all for the call or the catch.. but, I really love mist.. and I did enjoy roaming.. and you never knew what twists and turns that are in the future for Josh's style and evolution of style and content.. and it will progress and continue to change.. and along the way some may like it more.. and others may feel the opposite.. end of rant.. carry on.. -JAK |
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Post by mose on Jan 19, 2014 8:38:42 GMT -8
wonder how the galleries he works with feel about it? They should hate it. But they should also probably hate the future as well. I compared it to the WWE(formerly WWF). They are launching their own digital network which, for $9.99 a month, will include all pay-per-views. The cable companies are furious, as they used to get about 60% of the price paid for each PPV($50 cost to consumer, $30 to Comcast, $20 to WWE). The WWE has decided to basically cut them out, depending on direct fan loyalty, and subscribers to the network, to make up the difference. IMO, it has all the hallmarks of a tremendous success and shows the company looking at not only the current landscape, but the future as well. With the standard gallery relationship, an artist with large enough fan base can go it alone in this day-and-age and keep the 50% that used to be pocketed by dealers. How much does a mid-level gallery really add for someone like Keyes? Does a Keyes need gallery-loyal patrons or does he have more than enough of his artist-loyal fans to cover? Hell, does the physical gallery show even have meaning any more, or is it just indulgent marketing? The whole system is changing. We will see a lot of similar experiments. It appears the future is a la carte. And, in the end, Josh Keyes' career will likely long outlive any of the galleries that represented him to this point. |
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Post by jrog22 on Jan 19, 2014 9:05:26 GMT -8
wonder how the galleries he works with feel about it? They should hate it. But they should also probably hate the future as well. I compared it to the WWE(formerly WWF). They are launching their own digital network which, for $9.99 a month, will include all pay-per-views. The cable companies are furious, as they used to get about 60% of the price paid for each PPV($50 cost to consumer, $30 to Comcast, $20 to WWE). The WWE has decided to basically cut them out, depending on direct fan loyalty, and subscribers to the network, to make up the difference. IMO, it has all the hallmarks of a tremendous success and shows the company looking at not only the current landscape, but the future as well. With the standard gallery relationship, an artist with large enough fan base can go it alone in this day-and-age and keep the 50% that used to be pocketed by dealers. How much does a mid-level gallery really add for someone like Keyes? Does a Keyes need gallery-loyal patrons or does he have more than enough of his artist-loyal fans to cover? Hell, does the physical gallery show even have meaning any more, or is it just indulgent marketing? The whole system is changing. We will see a lot of similar experiments. It appears the future is a la carte. And, in the end, Josh Keyes' career will likely long outlive any of the galleries that represented him to this point.not so sure... i also wouldn't call Roq La Rue, DBSG, Liner, or JLG mid-level galleries, and Josh would be nowhere w/o them. |
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Post by mose on Jan 19, 2014 9:07:49 GMT -8
They are most definitely lower/mid-tier in the scheme of the art world. Nothing wrong with that, but when that world is inhabited by Hauser&Wirth, Gagosian, Pace, Zwirner, etc., you have to be realistic. I'm not talking quality here, I'm talking size.
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Post by mose on Jan 19, 2014 9:17:19 GMT -8
And this move, for collectors, may be very beneficial. I look at it this way, in this configuration at least Keyes fans won't ever be asked to commit buy at least $50k worth of other gallery artists in order to get access to his work. Those type of things can be common occurrences in the art world - situations where an individual artist's interests, and the interests of the galleries, don't line up, and collectors pay the price quite literally.
To me, it brings to mind the issue. In this day and age, with the wide/cheap distribution the internet allows, why would an artist w/following care at all about gallery loyalty at the mid-tier level? I mean, would one expect My Bloody Valentine to be loyal to the Roseland Ballroom, just because it is the venue they put on a show at?
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Post by x43x on Jan 19, 2014 11:54:30 GMT -8
The "Art World" is relative. Galleries like Roq la Rue, Thinkspace, JLG, etc, are the big galleries when it comes to the new contemporary/pop surreal scene. Sure the people shopping for art at a Sotheby's auction may have never heard of them, but they're not the collectors these galleries cater to.
While Josh isn't the first person to sell direct, it is an interesting concept for an established gallery artist to take the reigns back. To me, the gallery serves many purposes, and in this day and age of the internet, I think an even greater service to artists, especially the popular ones. The biggest I can think of isn't so much exposure, but taking a lot of burden off of the artist. Having a manager or representation lets the artist focus on their art, rather than spending needless time on promotion or answering the same email over and over. Many of the "good" artists are good because they spend a lot of time making art, and social interaction isn't their strong suit. I'm not saying all artists are like this, and quite a lot use social media with great success. But just as many don't like dealing with people, whether they are their biggest fan or not. Make the art, give it to the gallery, and let them find the buyers. That's worth the 50% for many.
It also is fairly easy for an artist to live on both sides, without shunning one or the other. Take Ashley Wood for instance. He started selling work either by himself or through Scott Eder, and only recently, his first and pretty successful gallery show with another in the works. But he still sells works online through his store on occasion. It's not billed as a "show" per say, and the art he sells himself is more of the comic book/toy art, while the JLG stuff borders on the fine art side of things. Different branches of the same tree. Maybe that is what we can expect from Josh?
And in my own experience, I hope galleries stick around for the foreseeable future. There is something about seeing art in person. So many nuances don't come across in a jpeg. Upon seeing work online from some artists, I shrug and give it a meh. But seeing the same piece in person and suddenly the appreciation can rise dramatically.
People thought vinyl was dead, but it's still the best way to listen to unadulterated music.
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Post by jak1 on Jan 19, 2014 15:58:04 GMT -8
I hope galleries stick around for the foreseeable future. There is something about seeing art in person. So many nuances don't come across in a jpeg. Upon seeing work online from some artists, I shrug and give it a meh. But seeing the same piece in person and suddenly the appreciation can rise dramatically. People thought vinyl was dead, but it's still the best way to listen to unadulterated music. I think the same of music.. It is great when delivered as an album ( a body of work) a concept. Now, it appears we are moving towards a digital downloaded single model as a possibility. The album and the gallery show express a full body of work and a more dimensional way to express a point of view for an artist. It does not matter if the artist is working with a visual or audio medium. Regardless, less established artists will always need the galleries to get discovered or build their audience.. the need for galleries will always be there for a large group of artists and it will take a long time for most other artists to migrate to a direct sales approach. I also recognize that the artist should work on perfecting the craft and enhancing creativity and vision instead of the wasting time with emails, accounting, phone calls, cleaning, shopping etc.. I have said before that I think Josh would be the greatest in the world if he had 2 maids, chef, chauffeur, butler, gallerist, and a person masseuse as this would free up 100% of his time to focus only on art. Heck maybe barack obama can type 400 words a minute but, they would still hire somebody else do the job even if they could only type 60.Anyway, I think with this new staff for Josh and his 100% jedi focus his work goes off the charts amazing and demands goes through the roof. Josh becomes very very rich and all the flippers and haters go mad. rant over |
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Post by wenters on Jan 30, 2014 1:29:29 GMT -8
Josh is in a group show called Brink at Antler Gallery (benefiting the Audubon Society of Portland).
No image of his painting called 'The Messengers' yet...but I know I didn't get it :-(
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Post by saL on Jan 30, 2014 16:36:14 GMT -8
 "The Messengers" 12"x20", acrylic on birch panel 2014 For inquires please contact Antler |
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Post by murdock on Jan 31, 2014 1:27:59 GMT -8
The longer I look at this "new style" the less I like it. Too bad...
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Post by origo on Jan 31, 2014 2:35:12 GMT -8
The Messengers is by far the piece I like best from the new work.
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Post by berlin20 on Feb 1, 2014 8:22:52 GMT -8
I like the new works, but I continue to prefer a work like Shedding or Roar I.
I wonder how Josh will evolve in the near future.
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Post by ksn on Feb 3, 2014 16:10:05 GMT -8
The Messengers is by far the piece I like best from the new work. Not quite sure I like the new direction but from his most recent pieces, I really like The Messengers and The Chase  |
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Post by sleepboy on Feb 6, 2014 21:39:40 GMT -8
 "Dreaming" Limited print edition of 150 image size 14"x18" paper size 18.5"x22" Please join the mailing list for the official release announcement. www.joshkeyes.net/mailinglist.htm |
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Post by sleepboy on Feb 26, 2014 22:05:36 GMT -8
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Post by edwindair on Mar 2, 2014 12:20:20 GMT -8
"Dreaming" Limited print edition of 150 image size 14"x18" paper size 18.5"x22" Please join the mailing list for the official release announcement. www.joshkeyes.net/mailinglist.htm for some reason, something as simple as seeing this piece with border added for the print just makes it that much better. maybe becasue im used to seeing Josh's work with a border, just feels weird when theres no white space. might just be me though |
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Post by sleepboy on Mar 4, 2014 18:35:29 GMT -8
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Post by jrog22 on Mar 5, 2014 6:06:52 GMT -8
The Messengers is by far the piece I like best from the new work. Not quite sure I like the new direction but from his most recent pieces, I really like The Messengers and The Chase Not sure about the Messengers or the new show in general, but i LOVE the Chase!! |
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Post by berlin20 on Mar 7, 2014 9:56:56 GMT -8
Now this fit my taste! I'm going in more and more for the new works, curious what will come. I heard this was already grabbed by a forum member  |
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Post by origo on Mar 7, 2014 11:56:37 GMT -8
It´s probably the piece I like best from the new series as well, believe bmerel was the lucky chap.
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