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Post by mokaneshu on Sept 3, 2008 22:15:29 GMT -8
Well Creep, I can truly say you are a stand up guy who really loves art for the what it is. I couldn't be more happy to have meet you and even bought work from the B-Movie show from you. I really hope that more people start to give credit where credit is due. I think you're the reason I know that some people are out there simply because they love art, and really just want to help new artists get some exposure.
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Post by mokaneshu on Aug 30, 2008 17:50:54 GMT -8
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Post by mokaneshu on Aug 28, 2008 18:55:43 GMT -8
What about regular people who are simply known for their collection? What if a normal person with very good art taste and a large collection of important works bought some new artists work? does anyone think that would effect things?
Lets say some random person who has a lot of important pieces and likes to share their work online with everyone... let's just say art message boards and blogs or whatever. Let's say they pick up some unknown new artists work and blog about it. Do you think that could effect that artist? I mean, the whole online community would know who that collector is because of their collection. But even though they may not be a celebrity, or known outside of this online bubble they've created, but there's a lot of people who watch their collection because of what they already have. Do any of you think that could effect an artist too?
maybe I'm just thinking of the online hype machine that blogging can lead to.... which I believe was talked about in some other thread a while back.
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Post by mokaneshu on Aug 27, 2008 7:23:25 GMT -8
First of all, I don't see why anyone would need to limit their style. I do realize that if an artist is all over the place and no one can even recognize their work because nothing is similar then it may be harder for things to catch on. But then again, who knows what style will necessarily catch on and be accepted the best... it's all a matter of personal taste.
But anyways, I see any of these samples of your work being well accepted by various types of collectors. I would also say that you should just do what you like doing regardless of style. Maybe you'll come to a point where you do different styles of work for different types of shows. I just personally think that limiting or focusing on a specific style when you may feel like drawing in a different one as somewhat silly. Like, why only travel down road A, when you can travel down road A and B at the same time?
I've always felt like art should be about doing what you want, not what you think collectors will want. But then again, I've never been in a position to try selling my work for a living.
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Post by mokaneshu on Aug 21, 2008 18:16:16 GMT -8
travis is the first artist ive talk to by phone , and he is an incredibly cool guy...(the first time we talked) he was walking outside and had to stop and save a frog that was hanging out in the middle of the road...so he is 1. talented 2. cool with helping others ---and 3. a hero to amphibians. He's also the most noteworthy biographer of sea monkeys that I know. "Amelia Queen of the Sea Monkeys - She devoured the previous Queen, . . . Tentacles and all" "At 2 weeks of age, Amelia became the youngest queen of the sea monkeys. She was also the tallest queen. With a total height of 1 inch, she towers over her subjects. This image was captured moments before she devoured the previous queen" "Ophelia, Another Queen of the Sea Monkeys - The last of the original Sea Monkey Monarchs (there were originally 3,450,999 of them)" "Abbie became the 2,345,890th queen of the sea monkeys in 1905 At 23 days, her reign was the longest She eventually suffered the same fate as the rest of her line,... being devoured by the next queen,... whose reign was much shorter lasting only 47 seconds."
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Post by mokaneshu on Aug 21, 2008 17:40:55 GMT -8
this print is stunning, I just got mine today and I'm just upset that I don't have a frame to immediately put this in.
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Post by mokaneshu on Aug 17, 2008 23:32:02 GMT -8
I started collecting and wanted larger pieces because my walls were bare, so how much real-estate that it took up was important to me at first. I've gotten over that phase now that I seem to be at the point where buying new things may mean selling other things or start getting more and more creative on how to display more in less area. I don't say that I have a preference against big or small because I find that mostly depends on what the artists that I like prefer working with. I really do appreciate pieces on wood though. I do want to say that I'll stop buying prints though and try staying more with originals, but sometimes there's prints out there that are simply irresistable and the 10k original is simply not even close to an option
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Post by mokaneshu on Aug 17, 2008 23:17:18 GMT -8
i rarely join in on these sophisticated art conversations because i have 0 art education and am an 'emotional' collector above all else (it's interesting to read where an artist gets their inspiration from and such, but i could truly care less). *clap* I'm pretty much in the same boat here, I don't really have any background with art besides knowing certain styles or artists that I typically like. But I figure I might as well state the things that I feel I have noticed in my short time collecting. First of all, there are so many variables in this, that I say all of this knowing that there are so many other situations out there that I probably have not thought of yet, that I'm sure I will agree with too. Anyways, I do see that historical value on certain artists could make some of their older works more valueble to some collectors. As sleepboy said, he has a lot of stella work so the old piece of hers that he picked up on ebay has more value to him from a historical point of view. Also artist do grow. If they didn't then their fan base would probably reach an early plateau and level off, old fans would grow tired and not keep buying the same pieces and new collectors would start and probably feel the same way after long enough. I mean, if an artist keeps recycling the same ideas and doesn't improve on his techniques, then collectors would see the 800th piece they put out and see that it's just like all the others and say, "well... I don't need another one that looks just like the one that I do have so I'll pass." Styles change, sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse in some collectors eyes. The best example I can think of from recently is stella's new canvas work. When the previews from that came out there was a lot of gripes from people who really liked her tea stained work a lot more than her canvas stuff. (their opinions may have changed when they saw the final finished work in person though) but it was a style change. I don't know if this will happen or not, but because of that style change it may perhaps make her older works more valuable since she seems to be moving away from it and trying different things and there's just not enough of her old stuff to go around to everyone. Another situation that could make an artists older work more valuable is what the current market gets into. As an example of this (possibly a very poor example) I'll use street art. many people see this as becoming a lot more popular these days. well, because of this, I'll pick greg simkins older street art that he used to do. if street art blows up in an extreme way, I could easily see his older street art becoming worth a lot more. I'm not saying that it will surpass his now current work, but I could see it's net value increasing more percentage wise than his new work that starts off high and grows less. I don't believe that the question was intended to be aimed at percentage of value growth but I feel that it's a topic that's closely related. There's so many variables in this that it's really hard to say what does or does not happen and what the direct cause is. But I think the one thing that most can agree on, is that if the artist becomes face meltingly famous.... like, to the point where say the pope recognizes them and wants them to do his portrait, then their older work will become worth more from the historical standpoint, and it will probably be on par with whatever more current work they have just because... cause it's the pope and that instantly has a fan base of a bajillion people (which I wikipedia'd to make sure I had an accurate number). let me know if you think differently and why. I'm sure I haven't thought of reasons why I'd be wrong yet, but I'll be the first to say, "you're right, I didn't think of that before." and then completely change my mind from what I have just posted.
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Post by mokaneshu on Aug 6, 2008 17:44:43 GMT -8
that would be so cool! ...collection of mark parker.... collection of sadam hussain! ;D probably now collection of george w bush! I think Sadam Hussain would be funny cause it's just really weird. Bush would just be embarassing. Unless you were shepard fairey and the piece Bush owned was an Obama Hope print. Then it would be hilarious again.
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Post by mokaneshu on Aug 3, 2008 21:11:27 GMT -8
How about a photography section? I realize that isn't posted much here but I really think it could be a very interesting addition. Or is that a no-go like the toy section? (not that I want a toy section)
Also is there a way to make PM's be forwarded to your email account that you signed up with? Not that I get a lot of PM's but it would be a nice thing to know if you got one. Obviously I think this feature should be allowed to be turned on/off by the user.
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Post by mokaneshu on Aug 2, 2008 2:08:09 GMT -8
...I wish I could cite more. Ultimately, I could care less. I mean, really....who gives a f**k who's buying the work?! And yet in articles and books alike about a given artist, there are almost always references to "so and so" is a huge collector and "yada, yada" owns this piece and that. Heck, most books published by artists themselves even provide accounts of ownership for specific landmark pieces as being "In the collection of ...". Why this even necessary? Maybe it is important who buys the work, at least when it comes to fellow artists and/or recognizable figures. I suppose I do sort of find it interesting when these books designate ownership to a particularly famous person, although it doesn't make me want to buy the artist more. I don't think at least. Maybe it's like advertising, and it attacks at the subconscious. Ha. It's an interesting discussion as I think about it while typing this out. I wonder what others think. Maybe it would be better suited in it's own thread. Is it important who buys an artists work? Does celebrity clientele help an artist achieve that next level? If so, as there is certainly evidence in the favor of this theory, is it simple market economics at work; in that, famous people have more of a disposable income and inevitably drive the demand and market value of the work up? perfecty stated. It shouldn't matter who collects it, the art should stand all on it's own.
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 30, 2008 0:10:50 GMT -8
Just came across the replies since my last input here - I just wanted to say thank you Marcus- in reply to your input: I mean yeah I was nervous... I was a little disappointed by the turnout at first especially, sure. But as pointed out by Kidrobot, it was the small conversations I engaged in with the small crowd that showed that were incredibly fulfilling. To think that the people that did show up were loyal fans, marked the show on their calendars, dressed nice... and actually expressed to me how much they liked my work eye to eye was an experience I will never forget, and quite possibly one of the most fulfilling moments of my life so far. So I am thankful, and grateful... I would rather share some genuine words with a new friend that comes out to a show, then have a million people stuffed in a gallery that just want to be part of something - not that there is anything wrong with that either, I am just expressing what I would prefer. I would have been there at the show if it was a bit more local than a 6 hour drive, heh. But I dig your work and bought something from the show even though I couldn't be there to view it in person. You'll have to post about the next time you come up to the bay area though. I would have loved to ask you questions in person rather than through the email I sent asking you about the piece I bought. Your explanation of it made me love it even more. Recently the artists who I've met and talked to have been very nice and genuine people who after talking to, make me appreciate their work more. But as a fan/collector of their work, I get intimidated myself, to just talk to them. Personally, I feel like if I were in there place I would be uncomfortable thinking that these people know exactly who I am and stuff about me, and I have no clue who they are. I guess I would be the stereotypical hermit artist who doesn't like to socialize outside my comfort zone. haha. But I'm sure if people actually came out to see something I did I would be more than happy to socialize, but I do understand how the situation may seem awkward.
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 28, 2008 20:36:23 GMT -8
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 24, 2008 18:08:10 GMT -8
I was thinking more along the lines of Frank Zappa or Eugene Hutz... but that's just me I guess. Then there's always Salvador Dali of course..
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 18, 2008 18:28:25 GMT -8
This just makes me think of Superbad. God I loved that part, I couldn't stop laughing.
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 12, 2008 18:44:09 GMT -8
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 11, 2008 10:14:17 GMT -8
Last day of work! wish I could say I was retiring though. And all the pranks I pulled on other coworkers came back to me today. Good fun.
New job starts Monday!
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 10, 2008 18:50:40 GMT -8
hey mokaneshu.. dunno if u've seen the snail yet but i thought this one looked really nice in person... super clean work Nope, haven't had the chance to see it yet, I live in the bay area so I wasn't down for the gallery. Can't wait to see it though!
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 10, 2008 14:24:39 GMT -8
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 9, 2008 21:50:43 GMT -8
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 9, 2008 20:17:18 GMT -8
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 9, 2008 13:29:49 GMT -8
I sat debating the venus piece too long and someone else bought it. It's great work though.
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 6, 2008 12:32:27 GMT -8
This one was my favorite but was at work when the preview came out. I guess I beat you to it. that almost makes me feel like I stole something from your personal collection sleepboy. I'm glad other people appreciate the same work that I do.
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 5, 2008 9:58:50 GMT -8
I do still collect them as well - having a store that sells them kind of helps. This said, what do you think about artists that see toys merely as an entry point to their art? I don't have names in mind, but I've read / heard comments by some that were really disrespectful to the medium, basically looking at toys as a necessary evil. I found it funny considering how lowbrow is itself looked down upon by the "highbrow" art world... I've honesly never gotten into collecting toys, I used to collect PEZ dispensers growing up and I know how much room those little things eventually begin to take up. So the toys just never really appealed as much to me because of that I think. Anyways, I have seen an artist that I really enjoy start more with art and then move most of his efforts into creating toys. To me this was kind of dissapinting because although his toys were kind of cool they just weren't something I could see myself ever buying. Seeing his art being put in the back seat to toys was just not the route I wanted to see him go. I guess toys are for some people but not all. I do see the appeal since I have collected something similar in the past but it's just not for me anymore.
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Post by mokaneshu on Jul 5, 2008 0:48:20 GMT -8
This thread reminded me of a webcomic page that has webcomic tattoos. Andrew Bell - The Creatures in my head Sam Brown - Exploding Dog Quantz - Dinosaur comics (failure is just success rounded down) here's the link I found them from: www.qwantz.com/tattoos/when I first found the link I was hoping to find my favorite web comic xkcd, but stick figures aren't a highly desired tattoo I guess.
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