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Post by sleepboy on Mar 4, 2008 22:11:18 GMT -8
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Post by keen on Mar 4, 2008 23:23:27 GMT -8
same with me. ive never liked her work and i still dont. The colors in this new show are definately more peaceful, but the faces really disturb me. Because of that i dont think i would purchase a piece.
also seems that her style is all over the place. last show was marie antoinette style (interestingly VERY close to the imagery of the recent sofia copola movie...) and the last one i remember was all gimp masks and sex toys shoved in the mouths.
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Post by Adam on Mar 5, 2008 1:53:34 GMT -8
You know, I used to feel the same about her work.... I was not AS into her work as some other artists but I think this next show looks to be very exciting and provocative.
I think her brush strokes look much smoother and softer and I also think her characters seem to be maturing with her work. The subjects are much cleaner and straightforward than some of her previous work and I would be inclined to want to own some of these pieces.
I also feel like she is beginning to find more of a narrative in her work the way Amy Sol and Audrey Kawasaki tell a story... I wouldn't say she does it nearly to the same degree yet, but I definitely see an exciting maturation happening -- which I find exciting.
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Post by keen on Mar 5, 2008 2:14:37 GMT -8
I also feel like she is beginning to find more of a narrative in her work the way Amy Sol and A udrey Kawasaki tell a story... I wouldn't say she does it nearly to the same degree yet, but I definitely see an exciting maturation happening -- which I find exciting. i can see a definite narrative in sol's and kukula's work, but not kawasaki's. |
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Post by masao626 on Mar 5, 2008 4:48:12 GMT -8
i really, really liked her older stuff. she had a show at copro last year that blew me away (despite the 'ball gag' thing people always pick on) - but since then, i haven't cared for it at all.
keen said it best - the faces of the girls are soooooooooooo important and none of them are appealing. Audrey nails it with every painting and Amy usually does, but kukula's don't do it for me at all.
and did anyone see the pictures of her on thinkspace's flickr? i *think* she is in her underpants. it's weird.
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Post by sleepboy on Mar 5, 2008 6:55:32 GMT -8
I also feel like she is beginning to find more of a narrative in her work the way Amy Sol and A udrey Kawasaki tell a story... I wouldn't say she does it nearly to the same degree yet, but I definitely see an exciting maturation happening -- which I find exciting. i can see a definite narrative in sol's and kukula's work, but not kawasaki's. yes, kawasaki's are mainly portraits but there are some pieces that are more narrative. the faces are so detailed as well, you can almost sense emotion from them. i really, really liked her older stuff. she had a show at copro last year that blew me away (despite the 'ball gag' thing people always pick on) - but since then, i haven't cared for it at all. keen said it best - the faces of the girls are soooooooooooo important and none of them are appealing. Audrey nails it with every painting and Amy usually does, but kukula's don't do it for me at all. and did anyone see the pictures of her on thinkspace's flickr? i *think* she is in her underpants. it's weird. yes i saw those. i thought i was a model for a painting or something. i mean, it's on the gallery's flickr not hers so why would she send those pics to them... it does kinda look like her though (that was my first thought). i don't quite remember exactly how she looks like.  the flickr www.flickr.com/photos/thinkspace/ |
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Post by ck on Mar 5, 2008 9:25:40 GMT -8
yea. that is NOT Kukula. Here's a pic of her next to Amy Sol:  |
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Post by sleepboy on Mar 13, 2008 21:42:40 GMT -8
Her stuff is looking good. I really liked the native american theme she used. Too bad I don't think I will be able to make the show. Really liked the way the round ones turned out. The painting that I almost bought.  |
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Post by sybilm on Mar 13, 2008 22:40:55 GMT -8
Hung that was my second choiceeee!!!!! We have similar taste you and i (except for the cutesy stuff heeeeehee)
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Post by marcusslo on Mar 13, 2008 23:53:19 GMT -8
hung its not too late... that one is still available =)... sleepytime buddies... got ur name written all over
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Post by Anonymous on Mar 14, 2008 13:07:57 GMT -8
I love KuKula's stuff. Very dangerous, outlaw stuff. On the surface these girls are mere children. Obviously, not so. Full grown women, some look either recently abused or doped up, and you cannot deny the works are erotic. I like the artist's sensibility for sure... you know Audrey K. treads this territory more often than not.
But these prices... This is ridiculous. I was expecting prices at ranges 30% less than listed.
I'd like to know WHO sets these prices? Does the artist do that? or the artist's rep/agent? or the Gallery? Sometimes this is just audacious... Is art collecting supposed to be elitist? I mean, this is the low brow art scene, is it not?? I mean, Mark Ryden commands the prices he does 'cause he's crossed over...
Then again, I see a third of the paintings have sold before the opening. Whatever. If that's the fair market value, fine. I'll admire her work from afar and leave it at that.
Tough choice: What to put into my shopping cart...
Option 1: A single 10" x 8" KuKula painting for $2400. (smaller than a sheet of school paper)
or
Option 2:
1. Stella Im Hultberg mini print set at G1988 $100 or less
2. Lori Earley large canvas print for $600 or less
3. Framing for Earley canvas print $800 or
3a. A couple of OGs from lesser known but talented artists
at a group show at say the Hive or La Luz de Jesus $800
4. Luke Chueh mini print set at G1988 $80
5. Audrey K. Lacey print (sat 3/15) for $150 (and a bit of luck)
6. Audrey K. Karamari giclee on wood print at Copro for $400
7. Kukula giclee on wood print at Copro for $325
etc.
I think I made my point. I'm just venting : )
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Post by rhinomilk on Mar 14, 2008 13:17:16 GMT -8
i understand your frustration.
... but doesn't really seem too out of line with similar artists does it? (and you can't really compare prints to OG's)
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Post by sleepboy on Mar 14, 2008 14:03:15 GMT -8
I love KuKula's stuff. Very dangerous, outlaw stuff. On the surface these girls are mere children. Obviously, not so. Full grown women, some look either recently abused or doped up, and you cannot deny the works are erotic. I like the artist's sensibility for sure... you know Audrey K. treads this territory more often than not. But these prices... This is ridiculous. I was expecting prices at ranges 30% less than listed. I'd like to know WHO sets these prices? Does the artist do that? or the artist's rep/agent? or the Gallery? Sometimes this is just audacious... Is art collecting supposed to be elitist? I mean, this is the low brow art scene, is it not?? I mean, Mark Ryden commands the prices he does 'cause he's crossed over... Then again, I see a third of the paintings have sold before the opening. Whatever. If that's the fair market value, fine. I'll admire her work from afar and leave it at that. Tough choice: What to put into my shopping cart... Option 1: A single 10" x 8" KuKula painting for $2400. (smaller than a sheet of school paper) or Option 2: 1. Stella Im Hultberg mini print set at G1988 $100 or less 2. Lori Earley large canvas print for $600 or less 3. Framing for Earley canvas print $800 or 3a. A couple of OGs from lesser known but talented artists at a group show at say the Hive or La Luz de Jesus $800 4. Luke Chueh mini print set at G1988 $80 5. Audrey K. Lacey print (sat 3/15) for $150 (and a bit of luck) 6. Audrey K. Karamari giclee on wood print at Copro for $400 7. Kukula giclee on wood print at Copro for $325 etc. I think I made my point. I'm just venting : ) well, i think that it's a matter of supply and demand. artists will charge what people will pay. i don't think her prices are that much higher than what she used to charge for her previous shows. i would be more upset at the rate of change of the prices than the actual price if that makes sense. i'm glad that kukula leaves her drawings accessible at least. her drawings are way more detailed than the lori earley doodles for 5K lol. yah, i don't think you can compare OG's to prints, i think prints are even more overpriced actually. galleries and artists set the prices together. sometimes one more dominant than the other. |
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Post by entropy on Mar 14, 2008 15:07:49 GMT -8
thanks for the replies, rhinomilk and sleepboy. and for the empathy : )
I just registered... I figured if I'm going to post stuff that is potentially incendiary, it's best that everyone know it's not from "anonymous"
I know you can't compare an OG to a print... 1/2 my collection is made up of originals now. But the point I was trying to make was regarding value or bang for one's buck. The pieces in the "Dreamcatcher" show that interested me are actually in the $3000+ range. I just used the $2400 as an example.
I should have posted Option 3: Down payment on Lexus IS250.
Sleepboy, you put your finger on precisely what I was getting at: "The rate of change" in an artist's artwork. I feel I have a valid argument when I think this feels like an abrupt and unexpectedly higher than usual price increase. I was gauging my expectations with the pricing of her work in her 2007 Copro Nason show: "Sunday morning wounds". Was it last summer? Not sure exactly when... BUT her prices, based on size, comparing that show and this one, have now increased by nearly 100% (maybe 80 to 90% if you're going to nit pick).
So I'm just shaking my head, 'cause it just seems like price gouging to me. But if she sells out, then I'll concede that the gallery and artist know the market inifinitely better than I. But it is a bit alienating... I don't pretend to be an authority on anything in any art scene. I'm speaking from a pop surrealism fan's perspective... who has yet to break the six figure salary mark (and therefore need to be pragmatic as far as where I direct my disposable income).
Who knows, maybe Leonardo diCaprio or Warren Beatty or Dennis Hopper bought a few pieces at last year's Copro show, hence the stratospheric jack up in her pricing...
Sleepboy, great board. This fills a badly needed void. The other boards are a combination of artists, persistent marketing from gallery owners, and collectors. This one appears to be one strictly for collectors and art fans alike.
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Post by marcusslo on Mar 14, 2008 15:47:58 GMT -8
while i also kinda felt the prices were a bit hight... i think in kukula's case, the rate of change isn't so bad...
last year back in the smitten show at thinkspace... she had 8x10s for 2200 and a 14x18 for 3600
...compared to this times show 8x10s for 2400 and 14x20 for 4500
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Post by sleepboy on Mar 14, 2008 16:12:47 GMT -8
while i also kinda felt the prices were a bit hight... i think in kukula's case, the rate of change isn't so bad... last year back in the smitten show at thinkspace... she had 8x10s for 2200 and a 14x18 for 3600 ...compared to this times show 8x10s for 2400 and 14x20 for 4500 yah, that was kinda my point. i remember thinking she was expensive during the smitten show which was a year ago so i don't think the rate of change was that fast. i can't go any further back in my mind because that's where i learned about her. i think for me, at her current prices, they aren't too bad. i think to be an artists full time, you kinda have to charge about how much she charges... it's more rates of change and pricing that unneccessary prices out an artists original fan base that upsets me more. i mean, who's gonna support you when the rich people decide it's a fad and your paintings are too expensive for your original fanbase. every artist should have some smaller paintings/drawings that are reasonably priced unless you are like ryden or something. i don't think it takes too much time to do a mini painting or drawing for your show. for me, i don't think kukula one of the worse offenders in this respect... |
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Post by sleepboy on Mar 15, 2008 12:47:44 GMT -8
I figured if I'm going to post stuff that is potentially incendiary, it's best that everyone know it's not from "anonymous" We don't mind incendiary comments ;D We love discussions here as long as it doesn't get personal or nasty. Sleepboy, great board. This fills a badly needed void. The other boards are a combination of artists, persistent marketing from gallery owners, and collectors. This one appears to be one strictly for collectors and art fans alike. Thanks. This board would be nothing without everyone's contributions. But actually there are artists and galleries that have lurked on this forum, one actually here (rivet gallery). Perhaps more will be joining later and i would say they are welcome as well like any other art lover. I for one would love some interaction. But you are right, I would not want any persistent "marketing" or have the board become too "commercial" |
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Post by mute on Mar 15, 2008 17:33:11 GMT -8
Thanks. This board would be nothing without everyone's contributions. But actually there are artists and galleries that have lurked on this forum, one actually here (rivet gallery). Perhaps more will be joining later and i would say they are welcome as well like any other art lover. I for one would love some interaction. But you are right, I would not want any persistent "marketing" or have the board become too "commercial" More artists posting could only make this board better. Thats why I like Kidrobot because artists are always posting new stuff there as quickly as they do to their blogs. But I think this boards off to a good start, I mean I like it. And to get back on topic. I was excited when I saw the sneak peak for this show but once I saw the preview I just wasn't feeling the work as much. Couple real nice pieces this time but not as good as her previous work. IMO. and a little more expensive. |
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Post by sleepboy on Mar 15, 2008 20:12:35 GMT -8
To be complete even though it's a repost from another thread. I got these.   Waiting for pics from the show marcus  |
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Post by sleepboy on Mar 17, 2008 13:26:28 GMT -8
I love KuKula's stuff. Very dangerous, outlaw stuff. On the surface these girls are mere children. Obviously, not so. Full grown women, some look either recently abused or doped up, and you cannot deny the works are erotic. I like the artist's sensibility for sure... you know Audrey K. treads this territory more often than not. I wonder if the artists who paint like this were men, would they take more heat? Be accused of being pedophiles? Seems as though as woman, you can paint things of this nature and be ok... |
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Post by suborphan on Mar 17, 2008 14:21:58 GMT -8
I have followed Kukula's progress with a lot of interest pretty much from the beggining. Her pieces are really great and she has a unique style. However i must admit that i was a bit dissappointed with her last show. I used to like the sinister twist in her older pieces (sawn teddys, bleeding bunnys etc). But in this latest show there isnt much of that. My favourite piece is the one that sleepboy almost bought. The least favourite is the girl with the white cat. There's something wrong with it coz it kinda doesnt look right. It's a bit on the fake side if you catch my drift. But then again that's maybe just me.
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Post by thinkspace on Mar 18, 2008 22:28:26 GMT -8
Felt the need to comment due to some things that have been mentioned here regarding KuKula's pricing - all prices in this show are very inline with her recent shows at Shooting Gallery in SF and Roq La Rue in Seattle - and she sold strong at both Shooting and Roq. Even taking Copro's last show into account, she's not much higher in price than that show - and looking at how much some others have jumped in the past year or so, she's far under the norm in regards to that.
Super proud of the work she turned in for this show, more than worth it.
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Post by sybilm on Mar 18, 2008 22:38:01 GMT -8
I would have to agree...Since i was aware of Kukula from her last couple of shows her prices still seem to be in line this year! I was very pleased with the way her pieces turned out and the framing was gorgeous! I think she is very detailed and her colors are amazing..Her work definitely screams quality, time and dedication! Not to mention how sweet she is to all her fans! I bought a print and im so happy with it! Felt the need to comment due to some things that have been mentioned here regarding KuKula's pricing - all prices in this show are very inline with her recent shows at Shooting Gallery in SF and Roq La Rue in Seattle - and she sold strong at both Shooting and Roq. Even taking Copro's last show into account, she's not much higher in price than that show - and looking at how much some others have jumped in the past year or so, she's far under the norm in regards to that. Super proud of the work she turned in for this show, more than worth it. |
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Post by marcusslo on Mar 18, 2008 22:44:35 GMT -8
well personally i liked this show's style more than previous shows but that's cuz i like the friendlier, more peaceful styles in general... but i can see how fans of her older, more sinister works could be let down with this change... my biggest disappointment had to be the smaller paintings... my favorite piece turned out being one of the small ones and it wouldve been sooo nice if it had been maybe four times larger haha
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