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Post by onemandown72 on Aug 6, 2013 2:16:38 GMT -8
I've just seen the prices and blurb for the new Wooster show at Jonathan Levine. Myself it is crass and feels a totally wrong way of celebrating their coverage of street art. The message I get is
"Hey guys look at what we've been doing for the last 10 years, if you paint on the street one day you too can get a gallery show where your work will sell for thousands of $, and we're going to bask in the glow of this success". It smacks of arrogance and all this does is re-reinforce using the street as a free form of advertising to promote a commercial career. As such it is so, so wrong. The Schiller's have always been very vocal in how they do this for love. I went to see them talk at the street art exhibition at the Tate back in 2008, and their passion for street art was evident. This show contradicts everything that they claim to stand for.
A far more appropriate celebration would have been painting on the street by the artists in the surrounding areas, with no commercial drive.
The best street art is both contextual and funny, something that works at best without any commercial agenda. Wooster aren't celebrating street art, they are celebrating it's ability to make careers and ultimately money. This saddens me
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Post by dotdot on Aug 6, 2013 4:04:01 GMT -8
omd - i agree with you... to some extent.. they've lost their mojo... it happens.
tate .. i remember it well.
'don't feed the sponsors' - blu's quote is the one thing which will stand the test of time.
good to see he's not in the preview.. he's invisible... and indivisible at the same time.
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Post by rizza79 on Aug 6, 2013 5:14:29 GMT -8
agree with the post not to mention the work in the show is horrendous. I would still love to know who actually buys this stuff and how much of a behind the scenes discount they give from the listed prices.
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Post by mose on Aug 6, 2013 6:08:02 GMT -8
Tonight we're going to party like it's 2008.
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Post by afr1ka on Aug 6, 2013 6:31:40 GMT -8
Some ok stuff but prices are ridiculously high. A mural project would have been cool but there is no profit in that.
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Post by treweman on Aug 6, 2013 7:05:27 GMT -8
OK ... I agree completely with the OP's rant. Most of the pieces did little for me, and prices were in the stratosphere. Street art and galleries are often a disaster.
But ... and I'm sticking my neck out here ... I was impressed with one of the untitled pieces by Anthony Lister. Actually, if it had been a little less expensive, I would have added it to my collection. And let it be known that I'm not a huge fan of Lister's work in general. But I like his current gallery work better than his street art, which never really captured my imagination.
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Post by ricosg11 on Aug 6, 2013 7:30:09 GMT -8
just another reason street art will struggle for any kind of serious institutional acceptance without the assistance of Jeffrey.
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Post by onemandown72 on Aug 6, 2013 8:14:07 GMT -8
just another reason street art will struggle for any kind of serious institutional acceptance without the assistance of Jeffrey. Why does Street art need serious institutional acceptance? It's the last thing it needs, it doesn't validate it, make it more powerful or relevant. Street art will always happen irrespective of whether it has a rubberstamp by such places. As for Artists informed by the street I'd say this is something different, and they should be accepted on the strength of their art. If they can't adapt to work away from the confines of the street then they're always going to be street artists, and this will limit them. |
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Post by jak1 on Aug 6, 2013 18:29:28 GMT -8
I just do NOT see who pays that much for those Invader pieces.. it is tiles assembled in a simple manner on a board. I get the whole Jackson Pollock art value is in the marketing but, in a modern present sense I just can not see it here. The bast sculptures are weak in my opinion. His opera gallery show was so amazing and his street pieces are fantastic. I agree with others about the Lister pieces. I do really like those. As a whole, prices have gone crazy for some of this stuff.. FAILE stuff is off the charts after their tate modern show and ballet collab. Those guys deserve what comes to them as they are very talented but, those tiny pieces are pricey.
I am also friends with many artists and it is not such an easy lifestyle.... and I can tell you that these folks need to pay rent and eat like everyone else and yes they want to keep integrity and street credibility but, they also need to live and flourish and chase the pursuit of happiness. Some of you may say the sell out. I think they prefer to sell out, ever piece at every gallery show because it will allow them to continue their craft... Not everyone is a banksy, damien hirst or jeff Koons. Moreover, they have to buy art supplies and pay the gallery 1/2 and then the tax man 1/2.
I think the issue might be with the galleries more than the artists. The public seems like they are ready for a new way to buy art. Perhaps more direct from the artist and without the fees and politics of the galleries. THis is no different than the record - cassette - CD - MP3 evolution. Every industry evolves. I think these comments you here are the growing pains of something that wants to progress and expand..
I know FAILE has had success selling online and Josh Keyes has also done this as well. The system is not perfect, but, people are trying different processes and it is working..
anyway, this wooster show.. and Levine is a good man.. but, this show did not do much for me.. love this BAST (non sculpture piece) and the listers. but, anyone that attended the 11 spring show at the candle building before the renovation has seen first hand what a wooster collective street art event can be if done right.. that was awesome.. corner of elizabeth and spring 10012.
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Post by ricosg11 on Aug 7, 2013 5:48:16 GMT -8
I just do NOT see who pays that much for those Invader pieces.. it is tiles assembled in a simple manner on a board. I get the whole Jackson Pollock art value is in the marketing but, in a modern present sense I just can not see it here. The bast sculptures are weak in my opinion. His opera gallery show was so amazing and his street pieces are fantastic. I agree with others about the Lister pieces. I do really like those. As a whole, prices have gone crazy for some of this stuff.. FAILE stuff is off the charts after their tate modern show and ballet collab. Those guys deserve what comes to them as they are very talented but, those tiny pieces are pricey. I am also friends with many artists and it is not such an easy lifestyle.... and I can tell you that these folks need to pay rent and eat like everyone else and yes they want to keep integrity and street credibility but, they also need to live and flourish and chase the pursuit of happiness. Some of you may say the sell out. I think they prefer to sell out, ever piece at every gallery show because it will allow them to continue their craft... Not everyone is a banksy, damien hirst or jeff Koons. Moreover, they have to buy art supplies and pay the gallery 1/2 and then the tax man 1/2. I think the issue might be with the galleries more than the artists. The public seems like they are ready for a new way to buy art. Perhaps more direct from the artist and without the fees and politics of the galleries. THis is no different than the record - cassette - CD - MP3 evolution. Every industry evolves. I think these comments you here are the growing pains of something that wants to progress and expand.. I know FAILE has had success selling online and Josh Keyes has also done this as well. The system is not perfect, but, people are trying different processes and it is working.. anyway, this wooster show.. and Levine is a good man.. but, this show did not do much for me.. love this BAST (non sculpture piece) and the listers. but, anyone that attended the 11 spring show at the candle building before the renovation has seen first hand what a wooster collective street art event can be if done right.. that was awesome.. corner of elizabeth and spring 10012. I would argue that the need for galleries exists because most artists are just that, artists, most of them are not, and do not want to be business-people and salespeople. Realistically, how much time is there in a day to deal with customer relations and make art? |
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Post by sin on Aug 7, 2013 6:44:47 GMT -8
Justifying the current structure based on that fact doesn't hold water.
Consumers and producers now can easily contact each other so the value of (some) galleries is drastically reduced.
An artist who is currently selling could easily hire a business manager to help do marketing, pr and sales for far less than 50% of the cost of the their work.
Galleries could fill this role and good ones already do or would. However galleries that simply act as a toll booth between consumer and producer will (and should) be done away with.
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Post by jseife on Aug 7, 2013 9:15:54 GMT -8
curious as to what the prices of the work are, where could i see the price sheet?
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Post by sin on Aug 7, 2013 9:53:41 GMT -8
its posted over on UAA
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Post by infdi on Aug 7, 2013 15:43:16 GMT -8
What is UAA?
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Post by treweman on Aug 7, 2013 15:45:30 GMT -8
Urban Art Association, often referred to as the Banksy Forum |
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Post by prpr on Aug 7, 2013 16:04:12 GMT -8
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Post by guymo on Aug 8, 2013 3:09:24 GMT -8
Hmm, I am sure that page on the JLG website used to have the prices.
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