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Post by epicfai on Apr 8, 2011 18:00:15 GMT -8
Outrageous! City is broke and this is where the money goes? no kidding, right? what makes it all the more outrageous is this Graffiti Control company opened a fence and crossed private property to get to the mural.
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Post by lowpro on Apr 8, 2011 18:52:27 GMT -8
Here's a shot of their efforts to un-buff it.. The whole thing reeks of shadiness and hypocrisy both on the part of Graffiti Control Systems and the City of LA. I mean, how are these two arranging their contracts together. The fact that GCS apparently trespassed on the owners property to buff the mural under their own volition, seemingly under the impression they'd get rewarded after the fact and paid by the city for removing the presumed "illegal" piece, according to "neighborhood residents" no less that I'm sure are MIA now or never existed, is just pathetic. Is this honestly how the city handles this? Where specific sites aren't necessarily contracted and vigilante buffing is permitted by companies like GCS and paid for subsequently by invoice on a square foot basis or some shit?! Sad state of affarirs, indeed. Apparently, the company was contracted to remove stickers from the area. Who's to say they haven't sidetracked from the slated job and targeted larger murals akin to this in past jobs to get more money out of the city? Even worse almost, the chemicals and paints being used are entering untreated directly into the ocean. There are blatantly visible signs around the area stating "Drains Straight To Ocean". Hopefully, these guys get hit up with a hefty environmental fines. It's all too ironic with MOCA opening next week. You couldn't write this shit any better..or worse.
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Post by evilchoy on Apr 8, 2011 19:55:29 GMT -8
Went to the auction in NYC for Japan with the parla it went for cheap but was not in my opinion a good piece very rushed watercolor.... It was valued at 10g's went for 3700 but honestly wasn't worth it... I came prepared to go up to 9g's if it was good I was actually very disappointed by the pieces overall and also by the lack of any symbolism... The Ellis piece was decent...
All right going back to my hole...
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Post by astrogirl on Apr 8, 2011 20:52:28 GMT -8
Outrageous! City is broke and this is where the money goes? I thought Canter's Deli paid them to "remove stickers" in the area and they went off and buffed the mural (can't tell the difference from a sticker and a mural?!). I'm sure to invoice a good chunk of money from....someone for their "service".
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Post by Weezy on Apr 8, 2011 20:55:35 GMT -8
Here's a shot of their efforts to un-buff it.. The whole thing reeks of shadiness and hypocrisy both on the part of Graffiti Control Systems and the City of LA. I mean, how are these two arranging their contracts together. The fact that GCS apparently trespassed on the owners property to buff the mural under their own volition, seemingly under the impression they'd get rewarded after the fact and paid by the city for removing the presumed "illegal" piece, according to "neighborhood residents" no less that I'm sure are MIA now or never existed, is just pathetic. Is this honestly how the city handles this? Where specific sites aren't necessarily contracted and vigilante buffing is permitted by companies like GCS and paid for subsequently by invoice on a square foot basis or some shit?! Sad state of affarirs, indeed. Apparently, the company was contracted to remove stickers from the area. Who's to say they haven't sidetracked from the slated job and targeted larger murals akin to this in past jobs to get more money out of the city? Even worse almost, the chemicals and paints being used are entering untreated directly into the ocean. There are blatantly visible signs around the area stating "Drains Straight To Ocean". Hopefully, these guys get hit up with a hefty environmental fines. It's all too ironic with MOCA opening next week. You couldn't write this shit any better..or worse. It does have the stench of corruption. And now they're probably afraid of being sued so more taxpayer money down the rathole to "fix it" plus whatever settlement money the city has to pay the building's owner for the epic loss. Another example to think when you pay almost 11% sales tax plus confiscatory property and utility taxes and city workers whine that it's just not enough. Now I'm even more outraged! Weezy
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Post by Weezy on Apr 8, 2011 21:20:45 GMT -8
I'm in a weird mood about art. I'm just not excited by it right now to the point where there's something I feel feverish about needing to have in my collection. I miss that-- even though it means I'm saving more. Maybe I'm just digesting what I have-- I'm still overjoyed thinking about the arrival of my Jinyoung Yu later in the year. And being kinda sorta dissed by a gallery has diminished my interest in one of its artists that I have been really excited about since last year. Do I really want to spend a boatload of money toward a commission to people who treated me second rate? I'd feel like a chump. Maybe they'll come through, but if they don't I've determined I'm not going to feel the loss. Anyone else? Weezy I am always amazed at how poorly most galleries or artists treat there customers, good customer service is an exception to the rule. Whenever a gallery or artists treats me nice, it goes so much further because I am used to getting treated like crap. So I tend to focus my money based on how I am treated, but on occasion I still buy art from galleries or artists that are terrible at customer service primarily because I like the art that much, and I give them a little slack because they are usually right brained people and they are not always the best at details. So once again props to artists like Josh Keyes, Scott Musgrove, and Naoto Hattatori; and to galleries like Thinkspace, Roq La Rue, and Gallery Nucleus as they are all nice people that care about there customers/fans! Hear, hear. There are really great people in the LA Art community-- artists, gallerists and other collectors. People who are willing to invest the time to educate, develop relationships, etc. and I think who really care about the art and other fans of it. I get it that certain collectors because of who they are can up the ante on prices and add cachet to artists' work and benefit all by being first in line (there was a recent article in the WSJ about Gagosian's midas touch), but I'm surprised if all the work is going to those folks, and for the rest of us if there's not enough work to satisfy demand, pricing is too low. Especially where I can easily afford the work, I don't get the snob factor. Running an art gallery is extremely tough business, so I'm scratching my head that any potential customer would be put off.
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Post by epicfai on Apr 8, 2011 21:34:56 GMT -8
imagine the damages they could claim on a per-foot-of-mural basis if they claimed damages on the basis of Retna's ridiculously inflated pricing of late!
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Post by epicfai on Apr 8, 2011 21:37:44 GMT -8
Went to the auction in NYC for Japan with the parla it went for cheap but was not in my opinion a good piece very rushed watercolor.... It was valued at 10g's went for 3700 but honestly wasn't worth it... I came prepared to go up to 9g's if it was good I was actually very disappointed by the pieces overall and also by the lack of any symbolism... The Ellis piece was decent... All right going back to my hole... do you have a pic of the parla in question, evil? would be curious to check it out.
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Post by svenman on Apr 9, 2011 9:22:13 GMT -8
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Post by grotesqueanimal on Apr 9, 2011 10:55:33 GMT -8
if anyone needs cheering up, this is the site to do it. Cope2 pointing at things. I am ashamed to admit that I did not know until now who Cope2 is (I am not so much into street art), but thanks for the link, that was fun. Def. needed some cheering up, as I am pretty pissed now. I got screwed over shipping costs by a gallery, as I paid 130$ for shipping an original drawing rolled in a tube, and apparently I was naive enough to think this would be some premium shipping or at least priority mail with a tracking number, but no, the piece was posted first-class international mail which means there is no tracking number, no delivery confirmation whatsoever plus it can take up to 3 weeks to arrive. Haha, 3 weeks sleepness nights plus the feeling that I got screwed on the costs, too. Even if you add costs for handling and shipping material, it could never add up to this amount, I mean I had prints the same size shipped to me priority mail for 30$ or less. So I need your advice, how should I best react on this? I already mailed to them expressing my concern that this was shipped without a tracking number, but no reply so far (apparently I am too polite). I will wait for the piece to arrive, but I certainly won't accept how this was handled.
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Post by astrogirl on Apr 9, 2011 17:22:11 GMT -8
if anyone needs cheering up, this is the site to do it. Cope2 pointing at things. I am ashamed to admit that I did not know until now who Cope2 is (I am not so much into street art), but thanks for the link, that was fun. Def. needed some cheering up, as I am pretty pissed now. I got screwed over shipping costs by a gallery, as I paid 130$ for shipping an original drawing rolled in a tube, and apparently I was naive enough to think this would be some premium shipping or at least priority mail with a tracking number, but no, the piece was posted first-class international mail which means there is no tracking number, no delivery confirmation whatsoever plus it can take up to 3 weeks to arrive. Haha, 3 weeks sleepness nights plus the feeling that I got screwed on the costs, too. Even if you add costs for handling and shipping material, it could never add up to this amount, I mean I had prints the same size shipped to me priority mail for 30$ or less. So I need your advice, how should I best react on this? I already mailed to them expressing my concern that this was shipped without a tracking number, but no reply so far (apparently I am too polite). I will wait for the piece to arrive, but I certainly won't accept how this was handled. You're right to be pissed - what I can't figure out is why the gallery would WANT to ship it without a tracking number - it covers them as well you.
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Post by epicfai on Apr 9, 2011 17:38:08 GMT -8
wish i could have been in NYC tonight to buy that small Withfooth painting.
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Post by habit333 on Apr 9, 2011 17:40:19 GMT -8
wish i could have been in NYC tonight to buy that small Withfooth painting. There are a couple of pieces I would've picked up...
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Post by rhythmgtr5 on Apr 9, 2011 19:54:23 GMT -8
wish i could have been in NYC tonight to buy that small Withfooth painting. Which piece are you referring to?
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Post by habit333 on Apr 9, 2011 20:13:23 GMT -8
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Post by rhythmgtr5 on Apr 10, 2011 5:51:03 GMT -8
Very nice, how much did it end up going for and what was the show / occasion?
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Post by habit333 on Apr 10, 2011 6:22:56 GMT -8
Very nice, how much did it end up going for and what was the show / occasion? Every piece was $100!
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Post by rhythmgtr5 on Apr 10, 2011 7:00:32 GMT -8
Wow, that's a pretty awesome idea and line up. Did anyone here get something from the show?
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Post by Weekender on Apr 10, 2011 7:07:21 GMT -8
if anyone needs cheering up, this is the site to do it. Cope2 pointing at things. I am ashamed to admit that I did not know until now who Cope2 is (I am not so much into street art), but thanks for the link, that was fun. Def. needed some cheering up, as I am pretty pissed now. I got screwed over shipping costs by a gallery, as I paid 130$ for shipping an original drawing rolled in a tube, and apparently I was naive enough to think this would be some premium shipping or at least priority mail with a tracking number, but no, the piece was posted first-class international mail which means there is no tracking number, no delivery confirmation whatsoever plus it can take up to 3 weeks to arrive. Haha, 3 weeks sleepness nights plus the feeling that I got screwed on the costs, too. Even if you add costs for handling and shipping material, it could never add up to this amount, I mean I had prints the same size shipped to me priority mail for 30$ or less. So I need your advice, how should I best react on this? I already mailed to them expressing my concern that this was shipped without a tracking number, but no reply so far (apparently I am too polite). I will wait for the piece to arrive, but I certainly won't accept how this was handled. Is it from the same gallery who shipped with no markings of "Fragile, Handle with Care, with Glass" outside the box on a large framed paper piece? Anyway, keep us updated Katrin! Cheers!
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Post by Weekender on Apr 10, 2011 7:08:35 GMT -8
if a board member got this one. congratulations! Please let us know!
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Post by grotesqueanimal on Apr 11, 2011 8:32:40 GMT -8
Is it from the same gallery who shipped with no markings of "Fragile, Handle with Care, with Glass" outside the box on a large framed paper piece? Yep. Unbelivable, eh? Looking through my mail correspondence with them I found a reply that they would send me tracking number once the piece shipped, so I had no reason not to trust them. The number from the customs form that I received is completely worthless, as it just says that the piece was posted, nothing more.
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Post by grotesqueanimal on Apr 11, 2011 8:34:17 GMT -8
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Post by Weekender on Apr 11, 2011 11:15:19 GMT -8
Is it from the same gallery who shipped with no markings of "Fragile, Handle with Care, with Glass" outside the box on a large framed paper piece? Yep. Unbelivable, eh? Looking through my mail correspondence with them I found a reply that they would send me tracking number once the piece shipped, so I had no reason not to trust them. The number from the customs form that I received is completely worthless, as it just says that the piece was posted, nothing more. Yaiks! FYI, i also ordered a book of the artist i got from them to be shipped together with the artwork, and the book didnt arrive together with the artwork. I have to tell them that they forgot, so it was sent separately. Simple instructions seems to be forgotten.
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Post by epicfai on Apr 12, 2011 12:44:29 GMT -8
text i received from a friend earlier today:
"Sitting in financial planning lecture. Slide about the 7 best ways to save money. #1: dont buy it -- Art."
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Post by Weekender on Apr 12, 2011 12:52:57 GMT -8
text i received from a friend earlier today: "Sitting in financial planning lecture. Slide about the 7 best ways to save money. #1: dont buy it -- Art." Yaiks!
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