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Post by wimbledongreen on Feb 28, 2014 9:38:22 GMT -8
Can a dealer (or gallery) have his own thread?
Perhaps there should be more dealer/gallery thread discussions since it's only through them you can get works from artists you want to collect and are an important part of the equation.
A few of us in the contemporary art forum are looking for the next-big-thing (myself included) and I thought his response at a recent luncheon to the question below seemed to be a bit of a warning:
Q: What was the next big thing?
A: “At these moments when the market is very, very high, I’ve noticed, having gone through several cycles, there are a lot of new artists that seem to be grabbing people’s attention. It seems there’s a genius every 15 minutes you have to own and you can’t get,” he said. “You have to be a little bit cautious when the market gets quite strong because there’s a tendency to anoint a genius artist every other day. That would be a word of advice for the collectors out there.”
I have to agree in that there seem to be a LOT of young artists whose work has become difficult to obtain. They can't all be destined for a Whitney mid-career retrospective in fifteen years. Buy what you like.
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Post by ricosg11 on Feb 28, 2014 10:00:10 GMT -8
This comment may not belong here, but your statements raise a lot of points of discussion that ive been thinking/writing about in private.
It seems the new "pay to play" # is 8-12k for first solo shows. Whereas two years ago, it was half that. Ultimately, im finding art is a business like any other, but people like to pretend there is some deeper sense of altruism here.
All that said, coming back to your first paragraph, yes, finding gallerists to work with that you TRUST AND BELIEVE IN their vision is paramount. Id really like to get back to talking about the work itself and it's place in contemporary culture instead of the market. Jesus fucking christ it's enough already. Not a dig at you Wimb. more a comment on the not a very nice persons behind sellyoulater, ect.
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Post by queequeg on Feb 28, 2014 11:47:18 GMT -8
A pretty obvious answer by Larry.
Back when Jacob Kassay exploded I could accept the idea that people in the biz who had access to the artist, keen insight, and an art intellect greater than mine could recognize the genius in him that I had yet to see. (Sure his silver paintings looked great but what else is there?) So although I found it suspect it was not totally unheard of for this happen and so it goes, I thought. Now just a few years later we've seen not just several but several dozen additional "Jacob Kassays" arrive among us. I can no longer buy this idea that art insiders can recognize genius anymore than they simply see profit. Kassay was simply the tipping point for a massive influx of speculative money into young contemporary art. I don't know what happened but suspect there are some "advisors" driving this along with celebrity collectors.
Whatever it is, in my experience, when things like this start to spiral upwards, they can continue up for a time far beyond what is rational, so I don't expect it to end anytime soon and I'm sure Larry will try and capitalize on it for as long as he can.
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Post by artladval on Feb 28, 2014 11:55:37 GMT -8
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Post by drevil on Feb 28, 2014 12:13:17 GMT -8
Funny he should say that when one of his protégés just said this: Now the only artist in your roster who is an internationally famous artist of the kind Gagosian works with is Daniel Buren. Yes, but we also work with Piero Golia, a conceptual artist who shows with Gagosian in Los Angeles and Paris even though he is a totally non-Gagosian kind of artist—but that is what Larry should do now. He should get quirky, weird artists, not very commercial artists like Sam Falls and Ryan Sullivan and people like that, because that really would give the wrong message. But when there’s anything that sells for more than $100,000, Larry gets interested. We also just stopped working withAaron Young, who has shown with Gagosian. But the gallery is going in a different direction. www.artspace.com/magazine/interviews_features/expert_eye_stefania_bortolami?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Master&utm_campaign=February_10_2014_Bortolami_Gallery |
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Post by artladval on Feb 28, 2014 12:38:10 GMT -8
You guys have to look at what Larry has to protect. What are his interests? He deals in blue chip art by established artists or those that are on the way to blue chip status. If people are more excited in the younger artists and looking at more emerging ones that he doesn't sell, his clients become distracted and may buy those names instead of the ones under his stable.
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Post by wimbledongreen on Feb 28, 2014 12:40:12 GMT -8
My takeaways from his comment were that 1) yes, he's probably right in that there are too many hyped up artists right now. But also that 2) he's in the business of representing more established, vetted, artists. So in a way he's hinting at why you should want to buy from Larry.
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Post by sam.register on Mar 1, 2014 13:58:35 GMT -8
Can a dealer (or gallery) have his own thread? Perhaps there should be more dealer/gallery thread discussions since it's only through them you can get works from artists you want to collect and are an important part of the equation. A few of us in the contemporary art forum are looking for the next-big-thing (myself included) and I thought his response at a recent luncheon to the question below seemed to be a bit of a warning: Q: What was the next big thing? A: “At these moments when the market is very, very high, I’ve noticed, having gone through several cycles, there are a lot of new artists that seem to be grabbing people’s attention. It seems there’s a genius every 15 minutes you have to own and you can’t get,” he said. “You have to be a little bit cautious when the market gets quite strong because there’s a tendency to anoint a genius artist every other day. That would be a word of advice for the collectors out there.” I have to agree in that there seem to be a LOT of young artists whose work has become difficult to obtain. They can't all be destined for a Whitney mid-career retrospective in fifteen years. Buy what you like. What do you mean by "difficult to obtain"? |
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Post by ricosg11 on Mar 1, 2014 14:15:17 GMT -8
I take it to mean that you cant just call up and buy one. You need an established relationship or a museum wing.
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Post by alexart on Mar 1, 2014 14:20:53 GMT -8
Let's face the truth here, he's way behind this time. He's frustrated as he doesn't manage to get those artist in his gallery. There is a long list of artists who don't want to join his stable. Why woud he put up a show with Alex Israel if he 's not interested in those new up and coming artists?  ? |
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Post by alexart on Mar 1, 2014 14:27:30 GMT -8
And what about all those secondary market works in some of his latest shows
from Nate Lowman, Wayde Guyton , Tauba AUerbach..just to name a few.
And we would have to believe he's not interested in them???
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