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Post by ifoundfaile on Jun 4, 2009 4:44:53 GMT -8
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Post by ifoundfaile on Jun 4, 2009 4:48:18 GMT -8
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Post by droow2 on Jun 4, 2009 5:27:20 GMT -8
You got absolutely slated on the Faile forum for this, why not do the decent thing and give it back to Faile. This is public art and you're a thief.
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Post by evilchoy on Jun 4, 2009 6:10:25 GMT -8
Honestly can we lock this forum and ban this user...I am sorry but ripping out public art and reselling is beyond comprehension regardless of the story. Feel free to keep it in your collection but to try and resell it is bad kharma.
I wonder if the administrators would consider banning board members who rip off street art pieces and try to resell them.. this not the first instance this has happened here and it really devalues the board.
BTW I will give you ten bucks for gas money so that you can go and bring it back the faile workshop. I will even draw you a map. I live in NY so we can meet up.....
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Post by outerborough on Jun 4, 2009 6:25:50 GMT -8
ifoundfaile: you aren't going to be able to get a lot for the piece, as everyone interested in faile knows that it has been taken from the street. if you don't want to return it to faile yourself, i would be willing to give you a token amount as a finder's fee for it, and then i'll return it. if you are interested, send me a pm.
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Post by sleepboy on Jun 4, 2009 7:53:24 GMT -8
Honestly can we lock this forum and ban this user...I am sorry but ripping out public art and reselling is beyond comprehension regardless of the story. Feel free to keep it in your collection but to try and resell it is bad kharma. I wonder if the administrators would consider banning board members who rip off street art pieces and try to resell them.. this not the first instance this has happened here and it really devalues the board. I was hoping this went to a true fan, but then again, what true fan would take it off the streets? Don't think I can really ban or censor this post though.
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Post by ricosg11 on Jun 4, 2009 8:53:26 GMT -8
ill pay 5k cash meet up in nyc
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Post by svenman on Jun 4, 2009 11:29:29 GMT -8
no one is going to ban a user for being on the forum, but vote with your wallets people. don't buy stolen art. bad karma, and surely bad karma and a prayer wheel don't mix too well... and without the base, isn't it more like a prayer log
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Post by evilchoy on Jun 4, 2009 13:02:11 GMT -8
Fair enough--- I then suggest we have a special section for selling "found" items.....There are a few boys from boston who might want to use this site if they knew we were allowing this sort of transactions. www.boston.com/news/specials/gardner_heist/heist/
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Post by amin on Jun 4, 2009 13:51:42 GMT -8
just so everyone knows, if a gallery or even auction house were to take this on, Faile would simply say it's not authentic (a la bankrobber/Vermin). Rico, unless you're planning to keep this, I'd save your money for something else.
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Post by ifoundfaile on Jun 4, 2009 14:22:18 GMT -8
this was no gardner hiest, comparing a piece of illegally installed street art to a museum heist is insane.
the authenticity thing makes sense at christies auction house for a picasso painting maybe
but why should i return it to faile if theres no way of knowing if its an authentic piece?
if its not authenticated then why are you guys complaining that im doing something wrong, at this point isnt it just
"carved piece of wood with paint, artist unknown, reclaimed debris at curbside"
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Post by cocollect on Jun 4, 2009 14:40:27 GMT -8
Fair enough--- I then suggest we have a special section for selling "found" items.....There are a few boys from boston who might want to use this site if they knew we were allowing this sort of transactions. www.boston.com/news/specials/gardner_heist/heist/great read choy. thanks for the link.
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Post by amin on Jun 4, 2009 15:18:39 GMT -8
for the record, I never said that you were doing anything wrong and I really don't care how you got it. There are lots of people who have taken public pieces so I don't see this being an exception. You were at the right place at the right time. I'm just saying that if rico or anyone were to buy it with the intent of selling it on, they will not get authentication from Faile. This would affect the value making it worthless. If you're a fan and want this by all means buy it.
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Post by evilchoy on Jun 4, 2009 15:26:24 GMT -8
I am really not good with photo shop can somebody make "P Miller of Brooklyn" an avenger of illegal street art sign or shield ala superman or captain american....
theft is theft sorry....
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Post by ifoundfaile on Jun 4, 2009 16:49:08 GMT -8
the story never changed, i quickly wrote found in a dumpster in a mocking tone when i should have wrote "found on a pile of garbage" outside sweetwater restaurant, next to a pile of garbage a load of wooden pallets and some cardboard out for the trash next to a lightpost, near a dumpster and a meat market guy smoking a ciggy sorry i do not exactly recall the lunar phase that evening or when i due for my next oil change. call and confirm that they claimed no ownership and verbally approved taking it they didnt want it, neither did the meat market guys. all these blogs aggregate information and just rehash scoops by copy and paste which the public accepts as "news reporting" so take off your junior detective caps and stop trying to convince me or anybody i "stole" something. so i will no longer answer silly questions, i have the piece and will either keep it or sell it. i will not return it just because you say so, obviously i think faile is a punk and he can knock on my door try his best to get it back, anybody who wants to defend their honor is welcome to confront me to my face. thats the last ill speak on this subject matter. looking at the comments on the non-art blogs nobody cares, but if your a faile fan your so outraged. faile doesnt care enough to stand up for himself so why should you. curbed.com/archives/2009/06/03/burg_dumpster_diving_pays_off.phpgothamist.com/2009/06/03/faile_wheel_found_in_dumpster.phpanimalnewyork.com/2009/06/faile-prayer-wheel-suspiciously-found/
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Post by amin on Jun 4, 2009 17:54:55 GMT -8
dude, you should mask your IP address when posting. Just a tip if you want to stay anonymous.
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Post by rizza79 on Jun 4, 2009 20:25:58 GMT -8
if this were under different circumstances, would this prayer wheel thingy actually fetch any real money? This whole deal seems kind of crazy. I am very surprised that so many blogs have reported about this. Rico's 5k offer looks like the best right now
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Post by ifoundfaile on Jun 5, 2009 3:56:39 GMT -8
lets say the item was complete. different circumstances would ony mean some dude has it spinning in his living room with a receipt that says he paid $30K, some other guy has it in his bedroom with no receipt and paid a black market price. Still the same piece.
Having no official authentication might make sense when buying a warhol, but claiming this all that MAYBE its not authenticated and worthless without proof of sale and a chain of custody from artist to gallery to owners, means i sourced a piece of wood, cut it to size scanned the whole thing and converted it to illustrator, contacted a mill to router this piece out or paid a wood carver in a third world country to chip and ship, then surely i could get a metal fabricator to make a base, and then get an intern to paint to match online photos and then print up a phony paypal receipt and bill of lading from a freight comany and had the shellac dry in a matter of days just in time to post it online before the other guy who really took it sells it or I go through all that trouble while the piece is still standing there and still there when i put it online.
oh yeah i saw a UFO last night.
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Post by juggernut3 on Jun 5, 2009 5:17:06 GMT -8
ill pay 5k cash meet up in nyc BTW, Scotty's offer was out of sarcasm...
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Post by amin on Jun 5, 2009 7:41:05 GMT -8
lets say the item was complete. different circumstances would ony mean some dude has it spinning in his living room with a receipt that says he paid $30K, some other guy has it in his bedroom with no receipt and paid a black market price. Still the same piece. Having no official authentication might make sense when buying a warhol, but claiming this all that MAYBE its not authenticated and worthless without proof of sale and a chain of custody from artist to gallery to owners, means i sourced a piece of wood, cut it to size scanned the whole thing and converted it to illustrator, contacted a mill to router this piece out or paid a wood carver in a third world country to chip and ship, then surely i could get a metal fabricator to make a base, and then get an intern to paint to match online photos and then print up a phony paypal receipt and bill of lading from a freight comany and had the shellac dry in a matter of days just in time to post it online before the other guy who really took it sells it or I go through all that trouble while the piece is still standing there and still there when i put it online. oh yeah i saw a UFO last night. it doesn't matter, if the artist says that it's not authentic that's the final decision. have you been keeping up with the Vermin/Bank Robber series of events? Street pieces were pulled from auction or did not sell when Banksy publicly said that they weren't authentic. Sure they were documented and even put on Banksy's site. Vermin tried to create an authentication board and failed miserably. Bottom line is that the artist has final say. This is what I was eluding to in an earlier post. Make sure that you don't give your personal details to whoever buys this from you otherwise they'll come after you when they find out that they can't sell it on. If I were you I'd just keep it as it's a nice piece regardless if it's real or not
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Post by amin on Jun 5, 2009 7:43:30 GMT -8
And, what I mean by my IP Address comment is that in theory the admin of this board (or any other forum) could pass on your IP address to Faile, POW, and others and they can spot check their database to see if there's a match to a customer profile. Then, they have your details and can contact you.
People forget that anything you do on the Internet can be traced back to you. The Craiglist Killer found out the hard way.
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Post by evilchoy on Jun 5, 2009 7:48:12 GMT -8
Amin your post are getting funnier and funnier.....
but in reality I would love to hear from some of the artist on the board what they think about people reselling their "street art"?
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Post by amin on Jun 5, 2009 7:56:36 GMT -8
I try
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Post by ifoundfaile on Jun 5, 2009 9:20:58 GMT -8
i am not in faile's customer database I could give faile my name and address and they wont contact me.
It would be preposterous to think that after all this 'coverage' someone might come after me when they cant resell the item without authentication. Thats the basis for all the lowball offers i already get in this board PM's.
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Post by amin on Jun 5, 2009 9:23:34 GMT -8
you'd be surprised man. out of curiosity, how much are you expecting to get?
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