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Post by highbrow on Apr 24, 2008 11:21:53 GMT -8
Here is one for you. How long do you have to wait to sell apiece of artwork. I personally rarely sell any items, up until now i have only sold one piece which I purchased as a middle party for someone, out of my own collection I have moved nothing.
i do have a piece or two i was looking to move to finance a larger piece while i did not want to sometimes you have to rob peter to pay paul.
needless to say one of the works I purchased direct from the artist at a great price through a mutual friend. Why my tate in art has changed I figured this would be a piece i could part with and not miss so much.
Long story short my friend contacts me and says Mr. X, is super pissed you are selling that piece he sees it as a huge disrespect and so on.
So how long do you have to wait, do i wait until he dies?
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Post by marcusslo on Apr 24, 2008 11:40:53 GMT -8
good question... tough to answer...
it all depends on the situation... i can see where there can be a feeling of disrespect... but i feel this applies more if you were turning around and i guess flipping it with only the intention of making money... and it also matters if the piece were given to you free as a gift... but tastes change over time and i would think the artist would understand this... i guess just put yourself in the artist's shoes and see if the artist's feelings are reasonable or not... if you know the artist personally maybe you can even tell them about your situation yourself...
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Post by rhinomilk on Apr 24, 2008 11:53:25 GMT -8
What's a "great price"?
If Mr. X's work sells well and usually sells for $2000 and he charges you $1500 and you turn around and sell it for $2000 that's pretty rude no matter how you cut it. probably should have waited a few years if you were worried about offending (i'm assuming you didn't wait a few years).
I'm basically a n00b, so that's just my thought. i don't know about etiquette, but i'm just saying how i'd feel if i was the said artist.
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Post by svenman on Apr 24, 2008 13:17:00 GMT -8
i don't see selling something to finance something else as disrespectful, but if it was a direct hook up on a good deal, i think i would have got in touch with the artist first as a courtesy to let him/her know what i had to do and why. i think it does depend on the time we are talking here though.... anything less than say a year could look suspect. in the past years i've never sold anyting of mine, but over recent months i have sold and traded a few things. mainly to either finance other art purchases due to changes in taste - not dislike -or as i am doing at the moment with a couple of things, to pay some legal bills and fund a house move/purchase. i also find that lack of space plays a big part! plus one thing, i didn't check with my wife before i bought and she doesn't like it. doh! i was way opposed to the whole 'concept' of flipping a while back, but i've just learnt to accept that the whole art community - and i don't just mean at our level, i'm talking auction houses as well, does buy and sell on the secondary market. some artists i've discussed this with feel that the secondary market helps thier exposure and demand for new works. by the way cory, i'm in no way inferring that you are 'flipping'!! people buy and sell things. fact of life. they don't have ways and means to keep everything they buy forever. it just so happens that sometimes you are able to sell a piece of artwork for more than you buy it for..... if only it worked that way with cars! good luck with the sale whatever it is. i'm sure if you explain your reasons to the artist the they will understand. plus you will be giving someone else the chance to own their work, who may end up buying more of their artwork in the future.....
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Post by highbrow on Apr 24, 2008 19:12:29 GMT -8
Back story:
the piece was purchased approx. 3 years ago, at the time the artist had little visiablity and I really liked the piece the price was a steal ( as he was not showing anywhere ) it was a piece he said " I have this laying around you can have it for X. Now three years later the piece continues to hang on my wall, I had no idea the artist had grown so much, I posted the piece on another board and someone inquired about it. i offered it to them at the price I paid plus shipping ( I had the price wrong I paid less ). They contacted the artist direct to check if he did the peice, long story short the artist emailed me extremly upset about it. He went to explain how I was taking advantage of him and it was not right, but wished me luck on my sale. At that time I did the research and saw the going rate for the work and by the artist contacting me he did me a huge favor.
I did not fall out of love with the piece, it does not fit the decor of the room, and wall space is at a high premium, so I figured as opposed to shoving in storage I would sell for no profit ( or so i thought but my price mistake would have given me a profit ) and the art would go to someone who loved it and could hang it up both.
So I think if I have a piece of art for three years it is not a flip, tastes changeI am no longer the person I was when the art was purchased, I like peas now and when I was a kid I did not people change.
The attack for lack of a better word really made me rethink what the art is to the people who create it, I guess they could be classified as flippers as well, this person does not sell his art for what he did three years ago
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Post by sleepboy on Apr 24, 2008 20:38:18 GMT -8
Dude, you are totally not in the wrong... In fact it was pretty rude for the artist to email you like that. Not smart for him to alienate fans, especially someone who knew him from way back. 3 years is a long time.
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Post by highbrow on Apr 24, 2008 20:48:56 GMT -8
thank you Hung, making sure I am not going crazy, its ok, it is people with bad customer service in this industry who never make it out of thier backyard.
( Side note picked up a Craola drawing, and the Sorren I was hunting falls through so Craola drawing not a bad second. )
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Post by entropy on Apr 24, 2008 21:45:32 GMT -8
Long story short my friend contacts me and says Mr. X, is super pissed you are selling that piece he sees it as a huge disrespect and so on. So how long do you have to wait, do i wait until he dies? hi highbrow, There is no statute of limitations on when you can sell the artwork. The notion that an artist feels he can dictate when where and for what price his art can sell for on the secondary market is absurd!! Sounds like this artist has a god-complex - I'd tell him or her to bugger off. It is YOURS. We all pay hard earned dollars for art. So the artist's blood, sweat & tears are in the piece, one might say? Well, the exact same can be said for the paychecks we earn. I'm pretty fed up with the rat race myself. I think it's an honorable thing that we actually shell out the huge sums that are demanded by today's artists and galleries. what's to stop us from outsourcing a reproduction of a painting out to China? Last year, I saw some amazing repros of contemporary stuff out there in the black market. No, not that uber crap you see on eBay. But I digress - Unless there was some implicit (or explicit) agreement prior to the sale where you mutually agreed that the initial sale was contingent upon never reselling at a price that would disrupt the market value of an artist's work, no one should care what you do with YOUR property (the tangible artwork, not the image's rights, in case someone wants to get smart). It makes me laugh to think any artist would conjure up such an agreement. And anyway, not every piece will always sell at "market value". There are always anomalies in the upward (or downward) trajectory of a given artist's sales history. I'm sure there's an artist or two that think they can masterplan their road to riches with incremental price gouging (whatever the market can bear, right?) and closely - and narcissistically - monitor their own artwork's sales on eBay and the classifieds of this board, or the LA forum, or KR forum, or wherever. But these people are deluded. You're absolutely correct about people changing. I know over the years, I have. After the personal financial and emotional damage I've sustained over the past 3 years, I should be into H.R. Giger, John John Jesse, Trevor Brown, and Chet Zar. I like these artists and they do reflect the world accurately, but would never place them on my wall. That would have been the "high school' version of me. Surprisingly, I'm still an optimist and prefer hope, mystery, beauty, etc on my walls than blood and trauma. In summary, I also believe one's art collection should, in part, reflect the owner's sensibilities and who they are. And whether anyone agrees or not, I believe it does. At least on a subconscious level. Again, I digress. I have never sold any of my originals. But I've only been collecting for a few years. My first painting purchase was in 2005. Still, I won't hesitate to resell if and time there's a need... or if I no longer "connect" with a given piece of art. Like Sleepboy said, 3 years is a long time. In fact, in this little world, it's an eternity. You have my moral support. Good luck on the sale!! Don't forget to log it into the Expresso Beans art database.
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Post by rhinomilk on Apr 24, 2008 21:51:25 GMT -8
well since you put the story that way. i see nothing wrong with selling it... although i can understand how some artists can get very attached to their work. i can also understand an artist saying "thanks for the support 3 years ago, good luck with the sale"
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Post by ritedere on Apr 24, 2008 22:26:27 GMT -8
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Post by grotesqueanimal on Apr 25, 2008 2:57:19 GMT -8
I'd go with everybody else and say, sell it - for the price this artist's work fetches now at the market. You didn't buy the piece for the intent of flipping (and even then it is justified to sell it), and when you buy a piece as a collector, you are the one who is taking the financial risk. In a few years' time you could end up having a piece that is worth much more than the initial amount, or you could own a painting that is just little more worth than the canvas and the paint themselves.
Furthermore, as you described it, it was a piece the artist had laying around, it was not a piece commissioned by you or even more, like dedicated to you or a portrait of you. In this case I could understand the artist's feelings, but here: no.
Also seems kind of unprofessional of the artist to contact you this way. Never put off potential buyers like this.
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Post by irsk on Apr 25, 2008 8:46:57 GMT -8
I've sold stuff and the exact way depended on how I got the piece and what it meant to me. The last piece I sold I sold only through PM's to 3 people I thought would appreciate it because the piece still had meaning for me. A few others I've sold just by posting on boards. As far as price, if I had just bought it I'd sell at the purchase price, if time had gone by I'd sell at market price with maybe an "we're friend on a board" discount.
My motivations for selling have been - getting a piece just to get something by an aritst when not being able to get a piece I love, but on seeing it not being able to justify the price to myself for that particular piece - time going by and my tastes changing and the piece no longer fitting into my colleection/space - my mom and BF had a big issue with a piece I had and bugged/bribed me into selling.
I don't consider myself a flipper as I've never bought anything just to make a profit on it, which is my definition of flipper.
As far as your case, you handled everything completely fine in my opinion and the artist is WAY out of line.
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Post by masao626 on Apr 25, 2008 8:53:33 GMT -8
- my mom and BF had a big issue with a piece I had and bugged/bribed me into selling. i have to know which piece this was!
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Post by irsk on Apr 25, 2008 12:01:05 GMT -8
yep the Sylvia. I still think they're both ah... whats' a polite word... silly. but my mom told me she'll match the sale price if I sell it so I couldn't resist. (that, and they're both incredible nags)
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Post by masao626 on Apr 25, 2008 12:17:33 GMT -8
LOL! what was it they didn't like? i thought it was a lovely piece.
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Post by irsk on Apr 25, 2008 12:30:51 GMT -8
LOL! what was it they didn't like? i thought it was a lovely piece. well, the bf said she was scary, and mom thought she was evil. sigh.
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Post by mute on Apr 25, 2008 16:07:50 GMT -8
LOL! what was it they didn't like? i thought it was a lovely piece. well, the bf said she was scary, and mom thought she was evil. sigh. Wow, that's a shame about the Ji.( I'm curious as to which one) It does sound like your BF and mom could come in handy if you ever get another one that I like. And... in order not to hijack this thread I would say not to worry about it. You bought it with your own hard earned money so it's yours to do with as you please when you want.
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Post by irsk on Apr 25, 2008 17:39:23 GMT -8
this one
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Post by irsk on Apr 25, 2008 17:40:28 GMT -8
and to get the thread back on track, sold it through a gallery Sylvia shows at a lot and they had no problems with me wanting to sell and the whole thing was very painless.
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Post by highbrow on Apr 25, 2008 19:43:07 GMT -8
Glad someone is able to sell art on this board. LOL
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Post by doktor on Jul 22, 2008 9:39:37 GMT -8
That sounds like you were in the right and the artists was off emailing about it.
I have no problem with people re selling my art. I do have a problem with people buying my art intently to turn around and sell it on right away. I realise I have no power over them doing this but it makes me feel upset.
This happened recently and I contacted the seller who had put a piece up for sale the day he recieved it and offered him a full refund as he obviously was not happy with the piece. He said he was happy with it and wanted to purchase another one from me as soon as I could make it..
What does one say to someone like that...?
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Post by sleepboy on Jul 22, 2008 14:09:19 GMT -8
That sounds like you were in the right and the artists was off emailing about it. I have no problem with people re selling my art. I do have a problem with people buying my art intently to turn around and sell it on right away. I realise I have no power over them doing this but it makes me feel upset. This happened recently and I contacted the seller who had put a piece up for sale the day he recieved it and offered him a full refund as he obviously was not happy with the piece. He said he was happy with it and wanted to purchase another one from me as soon as I could make it.. What does one say to someone like that...? wow, the nerve of that guy. did you ask him why he was selling it if he was happy with it?
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Post by mute on Jul 22, 2008 14:43:31 GMT -8
I'm guessing the reason why he was happy with it was because he was going to make some money off of it and then that's why he wanted another so he could do it again.
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Post by rhinomilk on Jul 22, 2008 21:06:07 GMT -8
That sounds like you were in the right and the artists was off emailing about it. I have no problem with people re selling my art. I do have a problem with people buying my art intently to turn around and sell it on right away. I realise I have no power over them doing this but it makes me feel upset. This happened recently and I contacted the seller who had put a piece up for sale the day he recieved it and offered him a full refund as he obviously was not happy with the piece. He said he was happy with it and wanted to purchase another one from me as soon as I could make it.. What does one say to someone like that...? i'd take the money and make him/her a new custom.... with a pube in it (and you can't take it out w/o taking apart the piece)
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Post by sleepboy on Jul 30, 2008 5:40:30 GMT -8
That sounds like you were in the right and the artists was off emailing about it. I have no problem with people re selling my art. I do have a problem with people buying my art intently to turn around and sell it on right away. I realise I have no power over them doing this but it makes me feel upset. This happened recently and I contacted the seller who had put a piece up for sale the day he recieved it and offered him a full refund as he obviously was not happy with the piece. He said he was happy with it and wanted to purchase another one from me as soon as I could make it.. What does one say to someone like that...? i'd take the money and make him/her a new custom.... with a pube in it (and you can't take it out w/o taking apart the piece) LMAO, wouldn't that make it even more valuable since there is DNA provenance (like when ritedere found one in his faile print?) ;D
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