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Post by expresspost on Jun 28, 2013 7:29:37 GMT -8
People are better off getting the Edition of 10 Lattice book from Gottlund Verlag. It's basically 6 sheets of art paper that Sam has done his rubbings of lattices. Each measures about 63.4cm by 24cm. The sheets are folded into half to make the book. Each book is unique. And at $450, you're sitting on art that his galleries are charging thousands of dollars for.
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Post by outerborough on Jun 28, 2013 8:14:04 GMT -8
I thought the same at first; however, the Lattice book is a book, which most art collectors seem to not appreciate. You could take the book apart and have a bunch of original rubbings, but that would destroy the book. Also, the Lattice book is unsigned. On the other hand, the rubbing on the PM edition is like a dust jacket, which can be removed from the book without affecting it. And the rubbing is signed. People are better off getting the Edition of 10 Lattice book from Gottlund Verlag. It's basically 6 sheets of art paper that Sam has done his rubbings of lattices. Each measures about 63.4cm by 24cm. The sheets are folded into half to make the book. Each book is unique. And at $450, you're sitting on art that his galleries are charging thousands of dollars for. |
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Post by billysport on Jun 28, 2013 9:48:18 GMT -8
The books are signed. Inner cover and back cover....
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Post by drevil on Jun 28, 2013 10:49:48 GMT -8
I honestly don't see what difference it makes if the books are signed. They are a ltd ed made up of original art work produced by Falls. Sounds like a bunch of Banksy print fans around here to me.
Btw I was told by the Headlands folks that his lattice work on paper in their auction last month went for around $7500. So there's that.
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Post by prpr on Jun 28, 2013 11:09:05 GMT -8
thanks for posting! i've been curious about what these look like - not sure what i'm seeing, a rubbing of a crack on the wall or floor?  This is one of the special edition Sam Falls "Studio / Space / Print / Time" books. The rubbing goes around the whole book from inside flap to inside flap. Very nice. in any event, i'm also guessing the lattice rubbings will be more satisfying. the Lattice book is a book, which most art collectors seem to not appreciate. i understand this point - it is the reason some of these are still available for us to discuss - but believe it will correct at some point, particularly with so many artists making amazing book works. and in this case, the books are composed of unique/original rubbings/drawings and thus unlike most books. Btw I was told by the Headlands folks that his lattice work on paper in their auction last month went for around $7500. So there's that. thanks for sharing. was curious about the final result for this piece and cited the estimate when recommending this book to friends. |
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Post by outerborough on Jun 28, 2013 12:01:23 GMT -8
personally, whether the lattice books are signed doesn't make a difference to me. however, i think it may make a difference to a lot of people, and thus, would likely affect the resale price.
similarly, i love artist books. but it's clear that many collectors look at them as only books, and not as works of art. this is not specific to falls' books, and i don't think it is ever going to change.
so basically, it seems to me that for $250, the printed matter edition rubbings--which are signed and unique, and can be easily taken off the book and flattened out to a size of about 28" x 12"-- are perhaps a better deal, if you are thinking about value down the line.
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Post by artladval on Jun 28, 2013 12:04:12 GMT -8
My main gripe with books are that you have to handle them and the more you handle something, the greater chance of damage. Similarly, if I'm buying a book from someone, I would wonder about how much they handled it and may have damaged the book, so I wouldn't pay as much or buy at all.
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Post by outerborough on Jun 28, 2013 12:08:24 GMT -8
btw, here's an image of a full PM rubbing. as i mentioned, it's about 28" x 12". looks like one crack on a floor or wall.  |
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Post by prpr on Jun 28, 2013 13:02:49 GMT -8
btw, here's an image of a full PM rubbing. as i mentioned, it's about 28" x 12". looks like one crack on a floor or wall. thanks for posting the full image - looks like it might be interesting as horizontal work (aligned with signature) and future value at price given. i'm still more interested in the lattice book - which will not become a wall work but is more compelling (from the web at least). My main gripe with books are that you have to handle them and the more you handle something, the greater chance of damage. Similarly, if I'm buying a book from someone, I would wonder about how much they handled it and may have damaged the book, so I wouldn't pay as much or buy at all. true - handling can damage the work. and yet, it makes the work interactive - allows the viewer to engage in a more personal manner - which is a special property of art objects you can hold and flip through (and one of the reasons i love them). i think being careful - treating them like art objects - is usually sufficient to preserve the value of the work. |
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Post by expresspost on Jun 28, 2013 13:04:32 GMT -8
]The book is signed twice but sold out from GV. Hope Printed Matter don't let me down. Here are what some of the books' contents look like. The six sheets are 25 inches by 9.5 inches and include the cover and five others. Images courtesy of GV. Front Cover  Back Cover  Five of the below. All for $450.  |
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Post by waltercrunk on Jun 28, 2013 15:39:49 GMT -8
My main gripe with books are that you have to handle them and the more you handle something, the greater chance of damage. Similarly, if I'm buying a book from someone, I would wonder about how much they handled it and may have damaged the book, so I wouldn't pay as much or buy at all. I agree with Khoi. I'd rather save and invest in a piece that's meant to be displayed, not handled. |
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Post by expresspost on Jun 28, 2013 19:14:42 GMT -8
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Post by prpr on Jun 28, 2013 23:20:27 GMT -8
Photos that persuaded me to pull the trigger.    thanks for posting these - i ordered one last night (independently from it popping up on this forum) and am hoping for magic. |
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Post by 80 on Jun 29, 2013 2:39:44 GMT -8
it's a great book, picked one up a while ago. it's just bound with one piece of thread so would be easy to disassemble and display without damaging it if so inclined. mine isn't signed though, weird
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Post by drevil on Jun 29, 2013 5:13:17 GMT -8
I assume that if people here are buying these rubbing works that they must really like them. Can any of you say why?
To me they aren't that interesting relative to much of his other series of work. They have nothing to do with using photography processes or rethinking them, they don't use light in a unique or interesting way, but most importantly they don't really incorporate time into their making in any way I can see (which is one key theme in the remainder of his work). If I saw these at a fair I would have never guessed they were made by Falls unless you told me.
I'm happy if you're happy, just curious mostly. Maybe I'm missing something or missed a good article on this body of work.
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Post by ricosg11 on Jun 29, 2013 9:36:12 GMT -8
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Post by prpr on Jun 29, 2013 11:14:00 GMT -8
I assume that if people here are buying these rubbing works that they must really like them. Can any of you say why? To me they aren't that interesting relative to much of his other series of work. They have nothing to do with using photography processes or rethinking them, they don't use light in a unique or interesting way, but most importantly they don't really incorporate time into their making in any way I can see (which is one key theme in the remainder of his work). If I saw these at a fair I would have never guessed they were made by Falls unless you told me. I'm happy if you're happy, just curious mostly. Maybe I'm missing something or missed a good article on this body of work. i think of his work as process-based and the most successful for me is the work that combines magic (beauty, sublime, pulls deeper somehow) with a simple process (where you can see how it is made in the work itself). it is almost like open source - he imagines a new, simple, way to make work and shows you how in the work itself, with the end result being somewhat magical (somewhat like Cory Arcangel's photoshop gradients). the prime example that got me interested: his 'Roll Fade' series where he simply roles coloured paper and leaves it in the sun to be faded, creating these ghostly images that appear 3D and to have rolling movement:  i find these beautiful, simple, elegant - his best work. i missed the light over time book (in part because it lacked the dimensionality of the rolls - at least on the web). not sure how i will respond to the lattice work in person but i am hopeful it has its own magic. i imagine there is beauty and also something special about holding a book filled with pages of original drawings that allows the viewer to mentally re-experience the rubbing process that made the work. |
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Post by expresspost on Jun 29, 2013 14:38:24 GMT -8
I assume that if people here are buying these rubbing works that they must really like them. Can any of you say why? To me they aren't that interesting relative to much of his other series of work. They have nothing to do with using photography processes or rethinking them, they don't use light in a unique or interesting way, but most importantly they don't really incorporate time into their making in any way I can see (which is one key theme in the remainder of his work). If I saw these at a fair I would have never guessed they were made by Falls unless you told me. I'm happy if you're happy, just curious mostly. Maybe I'm missing something or missed a good article on this body of work. I saw value in this particular book. But I am also attracted to colour, and Sam has a consistency of being a good colourist. I also like being able to follow the process of the artist's hand in their works. I agree that these works do not use light, or really incorporate time or photography processes. But if you are looking for that, you will not find it here. This is the exploration of the artist's mark making and capturing the image. Sam is multi-disciplinary, and being a young artist, he will make a lot of work that will be perceived as scattered. By a single piece, I agree that it can be perceived as something too simple and elementary. But as a body of work, sat in front of the view, it can be a visual experience. And with recent edition releases, I find these more rewarding than silkscreens, inkjet prints and bun fights. |
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Post by drevil on Jul 3, 2013 18:17:07 GMT -8
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Post by drevil on Jul 20, 2013 20:11:10 GMT -8
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Post by pokymoll on Jul 22, 2013 0:06:07 GMT -8
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Post by pokymoll on Aug 2, 2013 1:48:52 GMT -8
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Post by rosenblumari on Aug 8, 2013 21:04:32 GMT -8
Sam Falls has work on view at the Burlington City Arts Center in Vermont until September 21st - BCA Center: Sam Falls |
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Post by rizza79 on Aug 30, 2013 14:10:32 GMT -8
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Post by guymo on Aug 31, 2013 5:58:42 GMT -8
Can you tell us anything more about that image? Looks like my kind of Falls...
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