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Moki
Aug 2, 2009 11:13:58 GMT -8
Post by entropy on Aug 2, 2009 11:13:58 GMT -8
Why do you suppose her prices are quite affordable, roq? Any guess there? hi cgriffin, I love your enthusiastic contributions to this forum thus far. I would like to try and answer the question you posed to roqlarue: Roqlarue said, the work is " ridiculously affordable" You in turn asked, " why do you suppose that is?" Typically, there would be no need to make such a wild comment like that ("ridiculously affordable"). The common sense answer would be related to external conditions such as the global economy. In some parts of Europe it has sunk even deeper than here in the U.S. The artist may simply be pricing it to actually move. Also, factor in that the artist is still in school. At this stage of her career the artist may truly not be driven by money unlike so many in the lowbrow artworld ... What you will find at play in this forum is a fascinating study of how gallery owners will attempt to subtly and not-so-subtly manipulate the psychology of the art collector. This number of posts in a single artist's thread (in the span of a day) constitutes a hightened state of awareness. Ripe for exploitation. "Ridiculously affordable" is such a subjective term. Is $1500 to $2000 really Kmart cheap? Ridiculously affordable perhaps relative to the prices at a gallery like Roq La Rue? In all honesty, I believe sometimes a gallery owner is merely setting the stage for a future show and price hike (a year or so hence) with said artist...when they post a comment like that As a collector or general art lover, you need to tread cautiously here.
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Moki
Aug 2, 2009 11:43:42 GMT -8
Post by richardtharbaugh on Aug 2, 2009 11:43:42 GMT -8
Well, yeah... Either that - or she was addressing a comment that began, 'I think if i saw the first set of images as a gallery owner I would have told the artist to concentrate on one style and come back when they did...'
I can't say for certain that the latter comment about the pricing was said AS a fellow middle class art lover and collector, but having talked with, purchased art from, enjoyed the art blog of, enjoyed the essays about artists she doesn't even show, and enjoyed a book about the genre of pop surrealism including artists she does not show - I'd venture to guess that's a strong possibility.
While I certainly agree with the statement, "As a collector or general art lover, you need to tread cautiously here." I can't think of a gallery within the realm of pop surrealism that is more artist or collector friendly than Roq La Rue.
I know you were addressing cgriffin and not me, but I thought this might portray Roq La Rue in a false light to folks who have not interacted with Kirsten before.
That's just my two cents.
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cgriffin
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Moki
Aug 2, 2009 11:49:18 GMT -8
Post by cgriffin on Aug 2, 2009 11:49:18 GMT -8
Honesty is almost always amusing! Thanks, everyone...I do appreciate your responses. *thumbs up* I know there's no easy answer, and in fact, probably no entirely correct answer either. Overall, I've been pretty darned impressed with the coterie of artists shown in RoqLaRue, so I can only surmise the staff is knowledgable and committed. I'm just fielding opinions!
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Moki
Aug 2, 2009 11:57:30 GMT -8
Post by entropy on Aug 2, 2009 11:57:30 GMT -8
While I certainly agree with the statement, "As a collector or general art lover, you need to tread cautiously here." I can't think of a gallery within the realm of pop surrealism that is more artist or collector friendly than Roq La Rue. I know you were addressing cgriffin and not me, but I thought this might portray Roq La Rue in a false light to folks who have not interacted with Kirsten before. Although the comment by Roq was the true impetus for my post, my commentary wasn't necessarily directed at specifically her or her gallery (fact is, I have never purchased from RLR). Indeed I have conversed with her privately, via PM, in the past and have told her I look up to her as an authority on this realm of the artworld. So there's much respect there. My post was really directed at the entire collective of lowbrow art galleries. It's just my perception of the way things have become. Honesty is almost always amusing! Thanks, everyone...I do appreciate your responses. *thumbs up* I know there's no easy answer, and in fact, probably no entirely correct answer either. : )
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Moki
Aug 2, 2009 12:39:06 GMT -8
Post by sleepboy on Aug 2, 2009 12:39:06 GMT -8
Haha.
Perhaps I should not have added that "if I was a gallery owner" part. Because I'm not, obviously. I was just trying to explain my point of view I guess as a collector. I just thought the initial set of pics did not show an artist mature enough to have a consistent body of work yet but in retrospect, heiko probably just grabbed a bunch of pics. The set was never meant as a distinct body of work by Moki.
I'm glad she chose something and developed it a little more consistently, as the second set of pics are pretty nice. I especially like the beach and hills one where the characters blend in with nature.
And, I as well have much respect for Kirsten and her gallery. She has always tried to introduce artists I haven't seen before, alot of times that don't show at her gallery.
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Moki
Aug 2, 2009 13:06:28 GMT -8
Post by commandax on Aug 2, 2009 13:06:28 GMT -8
Haha. Perhaps I should not have added that "if I was a gallery owner" part. Because I'm not, obviously. I was just trying to explain my point of view I guess as a collector. I just thought the initial set of pics did not show an artist mature enough to have a consistent body of work yet but in retrospect, heiko probably just grabbed a bunch of pics. The set was never meant as a distinct body of work by Moki. I'm glad she chose something and developed it a little more consistently, as the second set of pics are pretty nice. I especially like the beach and hills one where the characters blend in with nature. And, I as well have much respect for Kirsten and her gallery. She has always tried to introduce artists I haven't seen before, alot of times that don't show at her gallery. Yes, Heiko posted some very early images along with some more recent ones, so the first post looks like a bit of a hodgepodge. If you look at her work done in the last three years, you will see a lot more consistency. She does like to work across many differerent media, and I doubt she'll stick to any one thing for long. But as you can see in my recent interview with her, she has a pretty solid conceptual basis for her ideas, so the foundation is laid for a solid body of work. I'd just like to clarify that Entropy didn't mean to specifically target Kirsten in his post. He and I have PM'd many times about the prominence of "hype" in the selling of art, and he was just inspired to interject his thoughts about it at that moment. As I'm sure everyone here knows, Kirsten is genuinely a fan of the art, just as enthusiastic (and probably more so) as any of us. If we want to discuss the effects of hype on the market, why don't we start a new thread for this topic, since it's not really relevant to Moki?
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Moki
Aug 2, 2009 13:24:39 GMT -8
Post by thecreep on Aug 2, 2009 13:24:39 GMT -8
Haha. Perhaps I should not have added that "if I was a gallery owner" part. Because I'm not, obviously. I was just trying to explain my point of view I guess as a collector. I just thought the initial set of pics did not show an artist mature enough to have a consistent body of work yet but in retrospect, heiko probably just grabbed a bunch of pics. The set was never meant as a distinct body of work by Moki. I'm glad she chose something and developed it a little more consistently, as the second set of pics are pretty nice. I especially like the beach and hills one where the characters blend in with nature. And, I as well have much respect for Kirsten and her gallery. She has always tried to introduce artists I haven't seen before, alot of times that don't show at her gallery. I think its also tough sometimes to look at work on the net, since they images change, and we also dont know if the same consistency was used when photographing the works. The red dress/hair looks a bit blurry, and we also dont know how much the colors and contrast have been changed due to jpgs degrading as they do. I think if the last piece was not in the first part, it would all fit better. I would like to know what specifically people see in the works that gives the impression that they are not all consistent. I get e-mailed a large amount of portfolios every month from budding artists, and many are what could be considered typical student portfolios, even though many of them are not students. I dont see the same lack of cohesion here as I do with many other bodies of work I have seen.
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Moki
Aug 2, 2009 13:25:20 GMT -8
Post by sleepboy on Aug 2, 2009 13:25:20 GMT -8
If we want to discuss the effects of hype on the market, why don't we start a new thread for this topic, since it's not really relevant to Moki? Yes, we seem to have gone off in a tangent. There is actually a thread here on hype for those interested.
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Moki
Aug 2, 2009 13:28:20 GMT -8
Post by droow2 on Aug 2, 2009 13:28:20 GMT -8
Well my tuppence worth is they seem ridiculously affordable to me!! And I don't work for RLR!! £325
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Moki
Aug 2, 2009 13:53:29 GMT -8
Post by richardtharbaugh on Aug 2, 2009 13:53:29 GMT -8
For sure. I wasn't trying to chop at you, and I definitely agree with the spirit of your post. I only feared that to an outsider, it might have read that Kirsten was a poster child for the "problem." She's certainly not. I agree that things, in the big picture have become pretty wonky in with some lowbrow (little L) galleries. Kirsten's gallery, beyond being a home for Pop Surrealism and excellent modern symbolism, and some Lowbrow work - is anything but lowbrow. Although the comment by Roq was the true impetus for my post, my commentary wasn't necessarily directed at specifically her or her gallery (fact is, I have never purchased from RLR). Indeed I have conversed with her privately, via PM, in the past and have told her I look up to her as an authority on this realm of the artworld. So there's much respect there. My post was really directed at the entire collective of lowbrow art galleries. It's just my perception of the way things have become.
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Moki
Aug 5, 2009 13:36:24 GMT -8
Post by tessar on Aug 5, 2009 13:36:24 GMT -8
moki's work is incredible. i am not particularly fond of many "realistic" depictions of work these days, but moki is definitely an exception. i hope she does really well in the next little bit... i find her varying treatments very appropriate to each piece and i think her strength lies in her ability to "shift" every once in a while. i'm definitely on board with those that have said they prefer this over the artists that milk and squeeze every ounce of the same imagery and "style". as a future collector (hopefully, lol) i'd be buying work from someone like moki; despite the fact that she is not instantly recognizable, she has a vision for her work that remains a constant- and even if not that, the sheer number of work she produces i think, is an attribution of how creative and hard-working she is. i'd love to see her vision translated into other forms of painting, drawing, installation and perhaps even performance. all the artists i look up to and try to emulate, can't contain themselves in one medium..
go moki.
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