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Post by thewalrus on Nov 29, 2008 12:31:50 GMT -8
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Post by richardtharbaugh on Nov 29, 2008 14:02:09 GMT -8
Am I crazy or was that same Hoop Cat on eBay a few weeks ago?
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Post by jimandtara on Nov 29, 2008 19:36:01 GMT -8
Am I crazy or was that same Hoop Cat on eBay a few weeks ago? It sure is - same number (#1 framed artist edition). Walrus - did you buy it recently off eBay or was that you selling it originally for $800? jIm |
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Post by thewalrus on Nov 29, 2008 19:55:42 GMT -8
Jim - Yeah, I purchased it - nothing at all wrong with it - I just didn't expect the "bunny cart" print to outshine hoop cat. I also didn't expect the bunny cart print to worm it's way into my collection but, I'm happy it is.
I also just simply could use the money and so threw it up there with quite stretch for my buy it now price from what I paid - $1100 (from what I remember) - however, there was one that sold a couple of years ago of $2400. The edition size is lower than most Ryden prints and it is a near impossible print to come by so, I'm sure that has to do with the value at which these sell. The quality is certainly with Hoop Cat as well. Ryden is also showing soon in Japan and I think those people with gaps in their collections might find this an opportune time to add what works of his they would like before this show.
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Post by jimandtara on Dec 1, 2008 23:47:05 GMT -8
walrus - so you bought it from Ryden's web designer for Porterhouse? (cuz thats who was selling it  ) You're not his web designer? jIm |
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Post by thewalrus on Dec 2, 2008 5:46:26 GMT -8
Jim -
The gentleman I purchased it from told me, when I asked, that he was no one special - that he had done a couple of projects for Porterhouse.
It seems you are fishing for complete disclosure, here it is:
About seven years ago, I purchased my first piece - things were going o.k. for me financially and I acquired more and more as time went on. I then decided to get involved as a partner in a business - Nibus Clothing - I am 45% owner of a store in Red Bank, N.J. which is failing miserably - partly due to location and mostly due to the economy. I have lost every dime I have in that business, including my house, (which I sold to put more money into the business). I wait tables at night to keep myself afloat - the Inn I work at has seen better days, as has most of the restaurants in this area - as the area is mostly employed (or was employed) as brokers, hedge fund managers and employees, and AIG employees. People are less concerned about buying sustainable, natural fiber clothing and going out to eat and more concerned about saving their houses and worrying about their futures. Those people with disposable money would prefer to spend it at Tiffany's and high-end fashion stores selling $400 t-shirts and $2000 shoes.
My girlfriend, now fiancee, wants to be married in Oct. 2009, and I have to somehow come up with $20,000 plus from thin air for a wedding. She also wants to move to a different state to be closer to her family. The acquisition of funds necessary to make all this happen, will be impossible to secure from my income as a waiter - as I average less than $500 per week waiting tables. I'm a fantastic waiter but, when you only have 6-8 people a night to wait on, the totality of cash isn't exactly overflowing like rain from a stormy sky. I would happily get another job but, no one is hiring except Dunkin Donughts and I have no desire to work for $7/hr. - which after a 40 hr. week and taxes would leave me with less than $200 take home per week. So, this leaves me only one option which is to sell off my collection. I am trying with all my might to hold onto a couple of pieces but, am not so sure I am going to be able to do so. I guess I didn't want to give full disclosure in the listing because there is a lot to it and really no one's business but, mine. So, Jim, there you have it - if you have any other questions feel free to ask and I'll be happy to tell you anything you'd like to know.
Every so often in life, the elements converge to create a perfect shit-storm. This time, those clouds are over my head.
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Post by virtu on Dec 2, 2008 7:03:06 GMT -8
Sorry to hear Walrus, I know how it feels 100%.
We are struggling as well. (Harsh Times)
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Post by brobt on Dec 2, 2008 7:47:37 GMT -8
Best of luck Walrus. They say bad luck luck comes in threes, but it seems that things coming up that need money are infinite & never ending. I hear a lot of news of people getting laid off & losing their jobs, but it seems that it's a going down with the ship situation when you own your own business. I am partner with my brother in our business, so it's always weighing on you. As far as the art goes, it seems you try to get to a certain point of owning certain pieces that you love, but it's the being able to hang on to them once you have them thats equally challenging.
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Post by thewalrus on Dec 2, 2008 8:28:06 GMT -8
Best of luck Walrus. They say bad luck luck comes in threes, but it seems that things coming up that need money are infinite & never ending. I hear a lot of news of people getting laid off & losing their jobs, but it seems that it's a going down with the ship situation when you own your own business. I am partner with my brother in our business, so it's always weighing on you. As far as the art goes, it seems you try to get to a certain point of owning certain pieces that you love, but it's the being able to hang on to them once you have them thats equally challenging. Thanks - and best of luck to you. I just wrote to a fellow forum member who also had some disappointing personal economic news to reveal to me; I touched on what you just said - about the challenging part of holding onto the collection you have. Here's a bit of what I wrote in the letter as I feel this is as best I'm able to put it down this morning, "I feel for you, man. It's tough times for sure and there is plenty to go around. I know that I, like you, have an obsession with art - so much so that I let my house go, to finance my business and fallout costs, before I accepted that I must let most of my art go. There are things inherent that are not fully tangible in artwork, which is so much unlike most material "things." We all understand this, the artist and the collector - and while it is eating parts of me up every time I sell a piece - I do understand life is certainly about more than possessing 'things.' The opportunity to have, for a time, such beautiful pieces to get lost in and to be found by, to live with, so intensely and intimately is something I will cherish forever. My father owned, which I now own, following his departure, art rock posters from the 60's and 70's. As a child I relished the images on those posters and had established after a time, a strong connection with my father through those posters. That is a another story....however, that gained understanding of what art can do - how powerful it can be, led me to search out artwork that made sense, i.e., spoke to me. I found that art and now it is time, I suppose, for that art to find the next person it has to speak to. You have a collection to be proud of, without a doubt. I'm happy to know you enjoy it so fully. I only wish mine - all of my pieces, could have stood still in time a bit longer with me." |
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Post by jimandtara on Dec 2, 2008 15:51:37 GMT -8
It seems you are fishing for complete disclosure, here it is: I guess I didn't want to give full disclosure in the listing because there is a lot to it and really no one's business but, mine. walrus - Wow - all I asked was 2 (count them above), 2 questions, asking a simple question: were you the original seller 3 weeks ago or the one that is selling it now (I was confused as I only pop quickly in and out of here lately). Instead of answering that, you instead decide, at your discretion (aimed at me for some reason) to lay your entire financial life out on the table as if I was somehow privy or party to that? and the weirdest part is, in the meantime, my rating gets cut by a 1/3? What about my original question makes me an @sshole on here all of a sudden? I'd really like that one explained to me...wheres the people on here that really know me, getting my back right now? jIm |
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Post by sleepboy on Dec 2, 2008 21:41:43 GMT -8
Hey guys. I wish I could have replied sooner but I have been busy all day and only able to check the forum on my phone. It seems that this thread is getting a little out of hand so I will lock it for now. Anyone who has any questions about the sales can just pm thewalrus. I value both of your contributions to the forum and respect you as collectors immensely. I certainly don't think jIm you are an @sshole from my experiences dealing with you and talking with you. I think there have probably been some misunderstandings here that can often happen without nonverbal cues. I know there is no easy way to end this, I feel this is the best I can do. If you both wish to continue your conversations through private messages and talk things out, you are more than welcome to. Thanks guys, I know it's a little unfair to not allow you to reply but feel free to PM me with any concerns and i will be more than happy to respond.  |
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) You're not his web designer? 
