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Post by lowpro on Jan 18, 2012 23:31:04 GMT -8
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Post by sleepboy on Jan 19, 2012 22:13:17 GMT -8
Kathy Grayson posted what looks like the twins working at PRISM.  |
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Post by lowpro on Jan 20, 2012 8:24:43 GMT -8
hmm. with how incredible fermata was, it was inevitable for this to pale in comparison. the crunched time schedule can't have helped either. all i can think is that this attempts to answer a common call for more work available in general and work at more reasonable prices and sizes. but still don't see why they'd compromise quality for quantity, especially in the illustrious position they've earned for themselves. there's nothing more underwhelming when it comes to the twins work than these portrait style pieces imo. perhaps their affordability will alter my view.
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Post by sleepboy on Jan 20, 2012 18:24:34 GMT -8
I doubt this show will be as complex as a museum show. I do think however it will be more than these little portraits. That space demands more...
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Post by gilsteph on Jan 21, 2012 10:27:04 GMT -8
Just seen this on facebook!  |
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Post by rizza79 on Jan 21, 2012 14:13:22 GMT -8
Just seen this on facebook! always loved these guys. So simple but so good!! |
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Post by avert on Jan 21, 2012 22:30:42 GMT -8
I still love their street works, but i no longer like 90% of their gallery works. Not sure if I'm alone with this thought/opinion.
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Post by jB on Jan 21, 2012 22:50:21 GMT -8
I still love their street works, but i no longer like 90% of their gallery works. Not sure if I'm alone with this thought/opinion. I too enjoy their street work as much as ever, but would have to disagree with their gallery works. I actually appreciate the recent work more than the past gallery works on wood / doors / etc. I particularly like the patterns as I feel those pieces pay homage to McGee's influence on the twins, as well as those pieces that continue the narrative of their crazy little world the two created and live in together. I may be biased, but also enjoy their portraiture work and am looking forward to seeing more of it at PRISM. |
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Post by gilsteph on Jan 22, 2012 3:11:50 GMT -8
I still love their street works, but i no longer like 90% of their gallery works. Not sure if I'm alone with this thought/opinion. I too enjoy their street work as much as ever, but would have to disagree with their gallery works. I actually appreciate the recent work more than the past gallery works on wood / doors / etc. I particularly like the patterns as I feel those pieces pay homage to McGee's influence on the twins, as well as those pieces that continue the narrative of their crazy little world the two created and live in together. I may be biased, but also enjoy their portraiture work and am looking forward to seeing more of it at PRISM. I think their street work is brill and agree with the portrait work. One of my only ever "misses" in collecting art was almost agreeing a price/piece direct with them and then their world blew up and I never heard from them again. Would love an OG but I think its way past my means now :-( |
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Post by Jean-Pascal on Jan 22, 2012 10:28:37 GMT -8
how much worth a small portrait like the ones on the pic these days? I would like to had one to my collection:)
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Post by rizza79 on Jan 22, 2012 11:04:50 GMT -8
I still love their street works, but i no longer like 90% of their gallery works. Not sure if I'm alone with this thought/opinion. avert...for the sake of constructive conversation and criticism, can you elaborate on what it is that you don't like about 90% of their gallery work? Jean-Pascal: I really don't have any concrete info about pricing for the portraits but I would guess they will be in the 8-12k range depending on size. I would suggest emailing Prism and hoping you get an answer  |
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Post by drevil on Jan 22, 2012 11:28:53 GMT -8
Anybody have any idea what it was that made these guys "blow up"? Maybe I am missing something, but for my $$$ I would much rather have a McGee.
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Post by saL on Jan 22, 2012 13:08:03 GMT -8
for my $$$ I would much rather have a McGee. I'd rather have their piece.. anytime!.. and Im a quite big Mcgee fan.. for me it's just their endless imagination, wicked concepts, colors and patterns, and playfulness and creativity of ADHD kid (x2)  |
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Post by simococo on Jan 23, 2012 5:34:16 GMT -8
some of their recent works on canvas are spell binding. The colours, musical and dance themes reminds me of Brazil soo much. It cant be bad for them that their economy is on a stellar trajectory as well....
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Post by lowpro on Jan 26, 2012 15:48:48 GMT -8
Anybody have any idea what it was that made these guys "blow up"? Maybe I am missing something, but for my $$$ I would much rather have a McGee. To associate the phrase "blow up" with their ascension in the fine art ranks would be naive and almost entirely antithetical to how it actually played out. They might very well be the poster child - along with their fellow Luggage Store/Deitch alums McGee and to a lesser extent Auerbach - for slow and steady wins the race. The twins have just done so in an at times mysterious and even more quiet manner than Barry, and with a shocking absence of mainstream hype for the better portion of their careers. But with their first solo in the states occurring at the Luggage Store almost a decade ago at this point, there's nothing spontaneously about the place they carved out for themselves and the deserved recognition it may seem are finally starting to pay them with greater frequency and strength. Oh and with respect to pricing, it must be reiterated that they typically work obscenely large, with their signature scale being in the 6 - 7ft range. Some of the pieces in Fermata teetered on the 10x20ft range. Due to this preference to work large, arguably out of necessity so as to allow enough room for two artists to have their fun, there's never a surplus of their work available. This has been especially the case over the past few of years since the landmark Vertigem/Vertigo exhibitions and up until Fermata last fall, where unless you knew someone in their inner circle there had only been a handful of pieces available from a couple primary dealers a year selling for 50-100k without hesitation and with a long line of people waiting to boot. These two things - supply and scale - inherently make price comparisons difficult with other artists, especially for an artist like Mcgee who has just as much demand and credentials, if not more on paper, yet there's much more work and work in a variety of sizes. Beyond that, there's some strange intangibles to the allure of their work that doesn't exist with many other artists. And from my perspective, the amount of further market penetration possible for the twins really is pronounce and these prices are justified and sustainable. Just my opinion..and more often than not, my blatherings are slightly retarded. |
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Post by ricosg11 on Jan 26, 2012 16:56:50 GMT -8
Their prices have jumped quite a bit since their epic Deitch show. Id say nearly doubled, if not more. That's a pretty quick and significant hike. I love their work, but I wouldnt exactly say that the rise was slow and steady. Good for them if they can get it.
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Post by rizza79 on Jan 26, 2012 17:44:38 GMT -8
Their prices have jumped quite a bit since their epic Deitch show. Id say nearly doubled, if not more. That's a pretty quick and significant hike. I love their work, but I wouldnt exactly say that the rise was slow and steady. Good for them if they can get it. The Deitch show was almost 4 years ago. I don't think the prices have doubled either(at least at primary) and even if they did, you need to take into consideration what they have accomplished and how talented and unique they are. I think Lowpro was more saying they have been making solid work, both indoors and outdoors, for quite some time so any price bump or recognition is well deserved. I would love for someone to point out another artist or even collective that can throw down on the street and in the gallery at this size and scale like these guys do, not to mention the work gets progressively better by leaps and bounds both conceptually and detail wise. Since we are talking about Deitch, I will reference Tauba Auerbach. What have her prices done?! Why is that warranted....because Paula Cooper says it is? Because the powers that be in the little art circle say it is? Because she has given a few lectures and has had some museum shows? As for the twins, they are not even represented by an NYC gallery and even Prism is not what I would consider their rep. At the end of the day the work speaks for itself and I personally think it speaks volumes. Obviously this is just my 0.02. |
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Post by lowpro on Jan 26, 2012 18:02:25 GMT -8
I suppose four years could both be perceived as a long and short period of time. In the art world, I think it's tends to the former. But there has unquestionably been an appreciable rise since then. I do think the handful of impressive and consistently impressive auctions results from the past year is telling to the overall demand for their work and could add to the discussion of sustainability. But those could always be manipulated too. Was more trying to think aloud above..and more than anything, personally attempt to justify the lofty prices as I think the twins warrant it. That said, they have gotten pretty damn high.
I think the Vertigo/Vertigem shows in 2009/2010, with a few of their most iconic and massive paintings actually coming from that 2008 Deitch show, really amped things up for them. From what I understand in speaking with some of the past dealers in Brazil too, who collectively had access to some work from Fermata that the museum didn't purchase outright, their demand is as much local as it is global. There is significant demand from Brazilians, where they are viewed as icons and there is a contingent there with a lot of new money.
I do think Fermata will have proved a major landmark and turning point for them in hindsight. So good. Eager to see how PRISM prices the work in the wake of that epicness. Based on how they priced the pieces back in 2010, and they're notorious for juicing artists a bit above conventional primary, I'll have a better sense of whether there is a little too much hot air being pumped into the equation.
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Post by simococo on Jan 27, 2012 4:51:34 GMT -8
The show with Patricia seemed fairly priced to me bearing in mind the acres of work you get for your money and it probably helps their long term credibility that dont churn out prints by the dozen.
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Post by ricosg11 on Jan 28, 2012 14:21:15 GMT -8
Perhaps I am mistaken in what I think their current primary is. I had heard Marsea was selling large works similar in size to the deicth show for 75k+. Does that sound right?
Like I said, I am a fan. It is my belief though that in the grand scheme of the overall art world that going from 45k to 75k in 4 years at primary is rather quick.
Additionally, I am fairly certain that since Tauba's move that her primary prices have remained in line with her large Deitch show.
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Post by volvic on Jan 28, 2012 15:42:46 GMT -8
my friend was shown a piece from the show a be it very large but he was quoted 200k, i would expect prices to be big, prism are not known for giving their art away
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Post by drevil on Jan 28, 2012 20:06:26 GMT -8
Well, first of all, lowpro sucks for playing the mod god card. If I edit a post, there is probably a reason I did so. To dig it up and re-quote it is BS IMO. PM me please.
Regarding OG, I am sitting on the sidelines and waiting for my Prism preview from Jen. After receiving the preview I will probably still be on the sidelines if pricing lands where I expect it to. Good luck to all, regardless. Hopefully this isn't just a money grab, but I suspect that it is.
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Post by lowpro on Jan 28, 2012 21:32:04 GMT -8
I really do apologize for misquoting you. I honestly never realized you edited your post until now. I had started writing a legitimate response, as posted above, the day you posted and got sidetracked. So I copy and pasted it to a text file and finished it up the other day. Can fully appreciate your concern and have just now corrected things. Neglected to even consider you may have changed you post, but should've have double checked. Regardless, PM'd you to clarify further.
Not to sidetrack more..But let me assure you, there's be no way to see original posts. Perhaps the admin can. No clue. Really just a collector posing as a mod and don't really know how do to anything and forget that I am one. Might appear as something else. But all I can do is assure you it was an honest mistake. I was more speaking generally to the questions smartly raised in your post anyway. Beyond that, welcome to the board and thank you for promoting healthy discussion. I hope this honest mistake doesn't turn you away from this great board at all.
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Post by avert on Jan 28, 2012 23:38:07 GMT -8
As I follow this discussion, I'm continually wondering if the comments questioning the pricing are coming from a stand of the work isn't good enough to command the price? Or they may be thinking of it from an industry price fixing perspective? Or is it simply a time matter in that they, the commenter, thinks the pricing is jumping too fast? ...but in a way thinks OG is good enough to command quite high pricing, just not now?
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Post by simococo on Jan 29, 2012 1:40:31 GMT -8
I'm no expert on contemporary art is Brazil so does anyone else know how they are viewed and respected in their home country? I would imagine that their celebrity on the street combined with their mesmerizing museum shows and massive local fan/ collector base could take them a very long way.
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