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Post by saL on Dec 7, 2012 4:10:00 GMT -8
For fans of Josh's work who may have ordered one of these Laminate Mags to get the signed Scorch II cover, the image Josh is signing is actually double sided and Josh is signing both sides. yup, this is definitely great holiday news, but these bad boys intrigue me even more   |
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Post by mitchmcgee on Dec 7, 2012 6:13:15 GMT -8
I was thinking the same thing Sal.
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Post by rhythmgtr5 on Dec 7, 2012 9:56:25 GMT -8
I think he's going to make some more tondos with those like the one seen here  |
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Post by sleepboy on Dec 14, 2012 23:46:06 GMT -8
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Post by ksn on Dec 15, 2012 0:41:54 GMT -8
I like that one a lot.
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Post by sixstringer on Dec 15, 2012 8:35:30 GMT -8
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Post by sleepboy on Dec 15, 2012 9:21:15 GMT -8
Yah, it was probably posted on his FB in response to the tragedy in Connecticut...
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Post by sleepboy on Jan 1, 2013 11:29:51 GMT -8
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Post by ricosg11 on Jan 1, 2013 12:14:07 GMT -8
id be interested in hearing the reasoning behind this.
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Post by dotdot on Jan 1, 2013 13:01:24 GMT -8
hope it works out for him - and us, of course, if you're one of the many.
this will be ... my last chance.
encouraging start to the year ..
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Post by mose on Jan 1, 2013 13:26:00 GMT -8
1) to allow artist control on who purchases and require a non-resale (josh hinted this in the past) Good luck making it legally binding. |
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Post by paulypaul on Jan 1, 2013 13:30:06 GMT -8
1) to allow artist control on who purchases and require a non-resale (josh hinted this in the past) Good luck making it legally binding. Aye, absolutely no chance. |
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Post by mose on Jan 1, 2013 13:31:34 GMT -8
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Post by drevil on Jan 1, 2013 13:39:13 GMT -8
These resale agreements are fairly ridiculous. Artists would be better off just saying: you sell within x years = no more art directly from me (or my representing galleries) ever. More direct and actually enforceable.
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Post by kennas on Jan 2, 2013 2:24:56 GMT -8
You also missed -
4) Allow 100% of the sale value to go directly to Josh.
Whether or not 'career wise' it is the right thing to move away from the more traditional gallery model remains to be seen, and probably a discussion for a different day!
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Post by ricosg11 on Jan 2, 2013 8:41:29 GMT -8
You also missed - 4) Allow 100% of the sale value to go directly to Josh. Whether or not 'career wise' it is the right thing to move away from the more traditional gallery model remains to be seen, and probably a discussion for a different day! this is the convo I was looking to start. I feel it is a poor decision for an artist at his level. He would be better served getting a stronger primary gallery. Different strokes as they say. |
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Post by sin on Jan 2, 2013 9:03:12 GMT -8
this is going to be an exciting moment for me. the topic of the antiquated nature of the current gallery model is enticing to me. either he is going to tear down some rather long standing walls and nearly double his profits in doing so or its going to be a wet firecracker.
you have consumers who want something and producers who want to deliver it. you have seen travel, music, housing, etc. agent / retailing systems fall apart in the last 10 years and be replaced by consumer driven online models. if you have an artists like Keyes or Geddes or Kawasaki who can easily release work at this point and have it consumed then what value do the galleries provide other than rather high commission transaction vehicles. the question is how much the gallery had to do with the rise and how the galleries will adjust to protect their investment in development. also you have to wonder, was it the gallery or the work of the artist that built the following at this point... did you buy Keyes because the gallery sourced, developed and made the consumption happen or did the gallery simply find something that wanted to be consumed and became an agent of it?
if the structure breaks down, then what replaces it?
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Post by ricosg11 on Jan 2, 2013 9:53:46 GMT -8
In my experience, most artists are wonderful people but horrible at the business end of things. This is probably for many reasons, but the most glaring would be the amount of time associated with managing and promoting your work.
Let's not kid ourselves, having a good eye is probably less than half the battle of any gallery program. Any great gallerist is backed by an incredible mailing list. That's not to say just a lot of email addresses, but a list of people who can afford to spend $20k on a painting without too much thought.
Based on the fact that Josh offered a few of the less desirable works from the last show to a nice chunk of his mailing list, Id venture to guess that he found it a bit more difficult to move them as quickly as he had expected.
I guess the trade-off is, can you keep people interested at $17.5k a pop without the backing of a gallery? It's hard to sell a $20k novelty to someone when you have essentially closed the door on advancing your career through traditional means.
would love to hear other folk's thoughts.
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Post by sleepboy on Jan 2, 2013 11:13:25 GMT -8
From what I gather, this is probably not a permanent thing. He's been doing nonstop shows for many years now consecutively and wanted to try something new as well as get work to people who have been on his personal waiting list for some time now. I for one am looking forward to seeing what he will come up with without the constraints of deadlines and expectations. Also, could have sworn there was another thread discussing this. Don't want to get too off-topic here in an artist thread. Maybe this? artchival.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=generaldiscussion&action=display&thread=3512 |
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Post by wenters on Jan 2, 2013 13:32:44 GMT -8
From what I understand this 'show' is being done like this so a number of smaller originals & sketches etc can be made available to those not near the top of various galleries VIP lists who covet something more than a print but can't normally get access to anything of that nature or price point.
I'm not sure it's the artist breaking away from the traditional gallery / artist model
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Post by chaserawr on Jan 2, 2013 14:03:28 GMT -8
I think any gallery would love to have Josh Keyes show with them and this show isn't closing any doors for him.
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Post by jak1 on Jan 2, 2013 14:40:18 GMT -8
ricosg11: "Josh offered a few of the less desirable works "   Josh has less desirable works? did I miss something? I think this is just to get some OGs in the hands of fans.. perhaps smaller sizes.. I think it is more to give back to the fn base than a giant sweeping direction change to the future of Josh's art distribution.. just my opinion.. I could of course be wrong.. and I think it is very admirable.. as a big fan.. I am excited about this prospect.. |
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Post by ricosg11 on Jan 2, 2013 15:32:41 GMT -8
fair enough. a nice gesture.
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Post by saL on Jan 2, 2013 16:43:07 GMT -8
in my opinion, this is just another proof of what kind of gentleman and fair guy Josh is.. the fact that he's taking the time and effort to arrange this online sale, is definitely something to admire in my book.. all in hope that regular fans with no special connection to a gallery can get a chance of owning a smaller, more affordable drawing, or an original.. I dont remember any other artist on his level doing anything similar.. the time will show if that is good or bad or irrelevant for his business end of things, but I can't think of anything more fair and more personal he could do to give wider audience a chance to own a JK original..
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Post by ksn on Jan 2, 2013 20:50:25 GMT -8
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