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Post by thewalrus on Nov 20, 2008 20:01:23 GMT -8
Lazinc and blk/mrkt are the best two places to start - there are a couple of drawings up for sale on ebay - I think maybe the uk ebay but, that's all I know of off the top of my head right now if you're looking to score.
I've been a huge fan for a while now - at one point I owned 10 of his prints but, decided it was overkill and am down to only a couple now. I'd love an original but, alas, all work and no money makes thewalrus a dull boy.
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Post by lowpro on Nov 20, 2008 21:27:45 GMT -8
Dumb question probably, but...
His piece say mixed media. Does anyone know what exactly that means as it applies to his work? I mean, it's all hand done with paint and inks..correct? There's no computer work in these at all, right?
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Post by ill on Nov 20, 2008 22:39:34 GMT -8
Dumb question probably, but... His piece say mixed media. Does anyone know what exactly that means as it applies to his work? I mean, it's all hand done with paint and inks..correct? There's no computer work in these at all, right? I think there may be actually... I know he does collage as part of his process and he may edit stuff on the computer to get it to look just right. His pieces have so many layers though I'd hardly feel nervous about him having too much digital stuff in his paintings. |
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Post by origo on Nov 20, 2008 23:55:32 GMT -8
Ian uses both acrylics and oil as well as a special transfer process (in some paintings), pen and ink and sometimes graphite. ;D
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Post by ill on Nov 21, 2008 0:06:46 GMT -8
Found this from www.listd.net/art.php?name=Ian_Francis"Your paintings look very layered with bits of collage showing through as well. Can you give us some insight into your method/style of working? All my work at the moment is a mix of painting, drawing, textures and photos, layered together and heavily edited in photoshop. There’s typically around 200-300 layers in my current work, ranging from large textures to small painted elements, I try to blend layers in to each other to get different effects. It’s kinda developed over the last 4 years or so, I’ve just ended up blending things more and more, to the point now where it’d feel like I was missing something if I didn’t edit a painting in photoshop, or made something solely in photoshop." |
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Post by lowpro on Nov 21, 2008 0:40:01 GMT -8
Found this from www.listd.net/art.php?name=Ian_Francis"Your paintings look very layered with bits of collage showing through as well. Can you give us some insight into your method/style of working? All my work at the moment is a mix of painting, drawing, textures and photos, layered together and heavily edited in photoshop. There’s typically around 200-300 layers in my current work, ranging from large textures to small painted elements, I try to blend layers in to each other to get different effects. It’s kinda developed over the last 4 years or so, I’ve just ended up blending things more and more, to the point now where it’d feel like I was missing something if I didn’t edit a painting in photoshop, or made something solely in photoshop." Hmm....Interesting. I'll be honest, it's not exactly what I was hoping to learn. But I had a feeling it seemed too good to be true for these to be done entirely be hand. It's definitely entirely a personal preference thing, and is probably a bit irrational, but the work appeals to me a little less knowing that he tweaks his stuff in photoshop. So, is it safe to assume that once he finishes everything, his pieces are printed onto canvases? Thanks for the post. |
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Post by dellboyy on Nov 21, 2008 2:54:58 GMT -8
That was certainly the case with his older images, like the four pictured in the above link. But i'm pretty sure it's not the case in at least some of his recent work... the piano girl and paris hilton canvases for example i think were his first two done with oil paint.
(could be completely wrong of course!)
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Post by solar77 on Nov 21, 2008 6:49:30 GMT -8
That was certainly the case with his older images, like the four pictured in the above link. But i'm pretty sure it's not the case in at least some of his recent work... the piano girl and paris hilton canvases for example i think were his first two done with oil paint. (could be completely wrong of course!) No, it's completely right. That interview is old and the pieces pictured on that page don't even exist as paintings - they were all digital. BLK/MRKT convinced Ian to give up digital work in favor of actual painting for his first solo show, in which he worked with acrylics, graphite, collage and texture transfer on canvas. He switched from acrylic to oil after that show. There was a step by step slideshow of the process of the Piano Player painting, but it was on his old site and appears to be gone now. |
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Post by comiconart on Nov 21, 2008 6:49:51 GMT -8
That interview is OLD. At the time, he would finish everything in Photoshop, and the end product would be a digital print, with no true "original painting" in existence. If you read at the bottom of the interview, he mentions that he has never had a solo gallery show...which changed a few years ago. He also mentions that he has "been working this way for 4 years now". Early on, his work was primarily digital, and I believe he would paint some stuff, scan it into photoshop, and add it as another layer to his work...but the end result, again, was only digital. This changed in '06, when he first started working on canvases by hand. Now he does incorporate a bit of collage and most of his pieces also include some photo transfer, but this is all done by hand, and the result is quite stunning. Trust me...the pictures look pretty on the monitor, but in person they are simply breathtaking.
For example: The building in the piece I just posted is primarily photo transfer. He took photos of different pieces of different buildings, and then transferred them onto the canvas to create a sort of "photo transfer collage" of an entirely new building. This is one of my favorite parts of the piece...I can't stop staring at all of the layers and details, and how everything was pieced together like a giant jigsaw puzzle to create one cohesive image.
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Post by comiconart on Nov 21, 2008 6:52:57 GMT -8
...and I think Paris was the first piece done in oils, but he was painting by hand before that. He was using acrylics at the time, and later switched to oils.
In a later interview (which I cannot find right now), he talks about how he made the transition from digital art to trying to achieve some of the same effects while doing it all by hand.
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Post by solar77 on Nov 21, 2008 7:02:38 GMT -8
Beat you  |
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Post by comiconart on Nov 21, 2008 7:32:59 GMT -8
that's because you are less informative. :-p
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Post by solar77 on Nov 21, 2008 7:46:39 GMT -8
No, it's because you're long winded.
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Post by origo on Nov 22, 2008 19:36:38 GMT -8
I´ll give you all whatever information you need on his technique, when my Ian Francis piece arrives next week.  |
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Post by xpc on Nov 22, 2008 19:55:06 GMT -8
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Post by thecreep on Nov 22, 2008 20:05:40 GMT -8
Im ok with the idea that he uses photoshop. I think using tools like photoshop, illustrator etc have a bad rap to them. Sort of like the artist is using a tool that makes the job less intense or less magical. When in reality, mastery of photoshop is quite a chore and an artform in itself. Take a look at what Tom Bagshaw tombagshaw.blogspot.com/ and even James Jean have done with digital programs. Its still a matter of layering, and pushing and pulling pixels and color instead of paint. Not using plugins like far too many photoshop users do. In a way its very similar to artists that use projectors to help get their work on the canvas. I think digital will have a bad rap for a while, much like acrylic had when it first was becoming widespread. It will take a while, but in all honesty its the end product that we love, the finished piece. And if the artists knows some extra tricks and tools to get there, thats fine with me. |
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Post by ill on Nov 22, 2008 23:03:49 GMT -8
I don't think what Ian Francis did with photoshop would have ever personally bothered me, but the way I see it, if a piece is entirely done in photoshop then what you'd have as an "original" is basically just a fancy giclee print or something, and that is never going to have the depth or look that something painted will.
I don't deny that there's some artists that have used photoshop to do some very cool art, but I personally can not bring myself to spend a lot of money on something like that. Even some mixed media pieces like what artist Christopher Shy does where the foundation is basically a print that's been painted over with tempura and gesso just really doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by thecreep on Nov 23, 2008 19:26:00 GMT -8
I agree, I would rather have an original or even mixed media piece as opposed to fully digital.
If the piece has elements of digital, or was designed digitally and then created larger with paints I am ok with that. David Hochbaum adds photographic elements to his works, and if someone added digital print sections, or cutouts etc, I would see that as the same as photo collage pieces.
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Post by comiconart on Dec 16, 2008 7:57:12 GMT -8
There is a fantastic 13 page spread on Ian in the latest Juxtapoz magazine. Good read, and lots of pretty pictures!
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Post by cocollect on Dec 18, 2008 19:12:24 GMT -8
Got to see some of Ian's work, including the Piano Player piece, down in Miami last year. I was very impressed with the work in person. He's got a brilliant future no doubt.
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Post by lowpro on Dec 22, 2008 11:00:11 GMT -8
There is a fantastic 13 page spread on Ian in the latest Juxtapoz magazine. Good read, and lots of pretty pictures! This is the first time, in a VERY long time, that I'm actually looking forward to reading this Jux. Been away for a bit and won't get back til after Christmas, but will look forward to checking out my copy when I return. |
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Post by sleepboy on Jan 21, 2009 9:33:48 GMT -8
 Just remembered that Rhino told me this piece was called "leah dizon coming down stairs" or something. Didn't realize Ian was a Leah Dizon fan too  [youtube] [/youtube] Ian is an amazing painter but Leah definitely looks better in person. |
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Post by rhinomilk on Jan 21, 2009 10:53:45 GMT -8
hehe. i also like his maria ozawa slays a dragon (or something like that) - sorry, can't seem to find any of her better clips on youtube.
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Post by bigstrunso on Jan 21, 2009 10:58:41 GMT -8
Oooooh, some of the photos (including the above one) of that painting still make me cringe. Not very true to real life!
Looks like White Walls put up the full name of the painting...."Leah Dizon Comes Downstairs At The Wrong Time And Realizes It's Not Her Apartment Right Now (1972)."
I've read that Ian is a huge Lost fan, so maybe the title relates some how??
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Post by bigstrunso on Jan 21, 2009 11:00:02 GMT -8
hehe. i also like his maria ozawa slays a dragon (or something like that) - sorry, can't seem to find any of her better clips on youtube. I believe that the only photo transfer on the piece above is the top of the staircase, but I couldn't speak for his other works as I haven't seen that many in person.........YET! |
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