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Post by rsingletary on Oct 8, 2010 7:30:32 GMT -8
TO ALL MEMBERS OF Artchival.Proboards.com ___________________________________ Smiley faces are a form of suppression ......so, why are they even allowed on this website ?? Maybe they would be good for a CHILDREN'S WEBSITE but we are not children here. This site is a form of free speech so none of us should have the option to ignor anyone else. Why would any member want to ignor a critic ? Critiques are good for all of us because it allows for growth. Plus, it opens the door to lively debate......and that's how things are resolved ( active debates are a great read because they give everyone a chance to participate ). We should try our best to promote transparency here ( that's part of being a Proboards type of forum ). Feel free to chime-in and express your true feelings on this issue. __________________________________________________ Signed: Robert Singletary__Friday October 8, 2010__11:30 A.M. (eastern standard time) USA _________________________________________________ |
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Post by afroken on Oct 8, 2010 7:55:43 GMT -8
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Smiley faces? Nazism? Free speech? Eh?
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Post by commandax on Oct 8, 2010 9:02:49 GMT -8
Your free speech has not been abridged. As it stands, you are free to post whatever sort of nonsense you wish, and everyone else is free to ignore it, just as they are free to ignore the psychopathic babble of Glenn Beck, Ted Nugent and Rush Limbaugh. The term "Nazism" gets thrown around much too freely these days. As we are all adults here, let's try to remember what Nazism is really about when we feel like whining about some petty difference in opinion. |
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Post by rsingletary on Oct 8, 2010 9:38:27 GMT -8
MESSAGE FOR commandax
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I'm speaking in general terms when I use NAZISM___because Hitler was able to gain power
after a lot of people sluffed him off and turned their heads to other things they felt were
more important. Suppression of any kind is bad for ANY society because it curbs free thinking
and tends to make people feel restricted.
SMILEY FACES.... for me are extremely offensive because they are used to express personal
expressions in order to influence other people. They may be quick & fast to post but I'd rather
read a full statement of any critique so I can respond in a considerate manner. Like I have
said before ...using SMILEY FACES is something kids do ( and it's stupid even for them ).
Thus, in general, I wish all adult websites would stop the nonsense regarding trivia like
SMILEY FACES. Just thought this issue might be interesting to other members too.
Thanks commandax for your opnion.....and hope to receive thousands more on this pressing
issue ( lots of people from other websites are questioning the use of SMILEY FACES .....so, I
guess it's becoming a hot issue afterall ).
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Signed: Robert Singletary__Friday October 8, 2010__1:38 P.M.
(eastern standard time) USA
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Post by commandax on Oct 8, 2010 9:54:17 GMT -8
MESSAGE FOR commandax _____________________ I'm speaking in general terms when I use NAZISM___because Hitler was able to gain power after a lot of people sluffed him off and turned their heads to other things they felt were more important. Suppression of any kind is bad for ANY society because it curbs free thinking and tends to make people feel restricted. SMILEY FACES.... for me are extremely offensive because they are used to express personal expressions in order to influence other people. They may be quick & fast to post but I'd rather read a full statement of any critique so I can respond in a considerate manner. Like I have said before ...using SMILEY FACES is something kids do ( and it's stupid even for them ). Thus, in general, I wish all adult websites would stop the nonsense regarding trivia like SMILEY FACES. Just thought this issue might be interesting to other members too. Thanks commandax for your opnion.....and hope to receive thousands more on this pressing issue ( lots of people from other websites are questioning the use of SMILEY FACES .....so, I guess it's becoming a hot issue afterall ). __________________________________________________ Signed: Robert Singletary__Friday October 8, 2010__1:38 P.M. (eastern standard time) USA I think the "general term" you're looking for is "fascism." And those "kids" you speak of so patronizingly are all of the rest of the members of this board. We use emoticons to express tone in ways that can not be conveyed easily in words... and we are the future. You yourself might find emoticons useful in moderating your generally overbearing and condescending tone... unless your intent is to offend. |
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Post by rsingletary on Oct 8, 2010 10:14:39 GMT -8
This link to a YouTube video says it all !!
Be sure to read all the comments people have posted under the video screen.
( very interesting to say the least !! ).
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Signed: Robert Singletary__Friday October 8, 2010__2:14 P.M.
(eastern standard time) USA
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Post by oldfartatplay on Oct 8, 2010 11:01:00 GMT -8
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Post by rsingletary on Oct 8, 2010 11:02:32 GMT -8
This YouTube video explains how I feel when others don't take the SMILEY FACE issue
serious. We should all stand up and revolt against this awful intrusion into our daily
lives. In fact, lots of elderly folks and teenagers are becoming sick from seeing so many
emoticons posted as comments on their comments !!
This is a terrible trend if you ask me ( and I'm not sure anyone IS asking me ).
I'm just assuming others will get more involved when they " see-the-light "....
as they say in church these days. I guess I'm upset because others are getting
upset....................hey !! is this SMILEY FACE issue getting out of control ??
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Signed: Robert Singletary__Friday October 8, 2010__3:02 P.M.
(eastern standard time) USA
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Post by commandax on Oct 8, 2010 11:26:35 GMT -8
Rather than posting a link to someone else's thoughts to tell others how we feel, most of us try to describe our thoughts with our own words, an endeavor which results in varying degrees of clarity. For those of us who are unsure if our intended tone will be understood by other board members, many of whom are not native English speakers, a well-placed emoticon helps ensure our words will be taken in the right spirit. For instance, sometimes I think your posts must be an attempt at satire. They're so ridiculous that it hardly seems possible you could be serious, yet your condescending and overbearing manner makes you seem like a know-it-all and a bully rather than a humorist. If satire is your intent, an emoticon might help convey your meaning more clearly. As in: " In fact, lots of elderly folks and teenagers are becoming sick from seeing so many emoticons posted as comments on their comments !!  " |
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Post by pricklypete on Oct 8, 2010 11:36:21 GMT -8
Wow. There's so much I couldsay but I'm just gonna go with this:  |
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Post by rsingletary on Oct 8, 2010 13:41:35 GMT -8
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Post by cpk on Oct 8, 2010 14:31:26 GMT -8
Emoticons make sense in a world where more and more interaction is taking place online. I smile in person, I smile while reading or typing, and I am glad to have a means to express that here  I have never felt they take away from the gravity of the typed word or the maturity level as rsingletary seems to suggest. |
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Post by oldfartatplay on Oct 8, 2010 18:31:41 GMT -8
This topic is an embarrassment to the Artchival forum. I wish the moderators would delete it.
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Post by rsingletary on Oct 8, 2010 20:40:39 GMT -8
MESSAGE FOR cpk ______________ Well, since she is a young person I've decided to help with this link: www.smileys4me.com/category.php?show=4Also, I'm sure there are some teenagers who come to this site to learn more about art ( the link here is for them too ). Just trying to keep an open mind to folks who love emoticons. Just because I hate 'em doesn't mean everyone else feels the same as myself. Yet, I hope people who are 21 years old or older will NOT download these free emoticons. Here's what I placed on the google searchbar: " Awesome emoticons to download free without any conditions ". The link above is the one that caught my eye. NOTE: I hope others keep an open mind to my concerns regarding the use of SMILEY FACES on adult websites. _____________________________________________________ Signed: Robert Singletary__Saturday October 9, 2010__12:40 A.M. (eastern standard time) USA |
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Post by highbrow on Oct 8, 2010 20:48:05 GMT -8
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Post by lowpro on Oct 8, 2010 22:53:49 GMT -8
I must admit, it's unfortunate that this board has reached this tipping point of sorts. I can't recall a thread akin to this since this forum's inception that required deleting or a single instance that compares in anyway shape or form to what has developed as of late. I suppose we should be grateful it took us this long for behavior of this sort to arise. Ultimately, it's an inevitability that there will be bad seeds out there with seemingly too much time on their hands and with so little personal restraint that the entire focus of such a historically civil, humble, intelligent art focused discussion board has been stolen by such trivial distractions. I won't deny that there is a case - potentially strong - for deleting this particular thread all together, along with a host of other recent threads and posts. There is clearly very little merit to their enhancing the art discourse. It's just sad that such measures are even necessary, perhaps because I don't personally relish - nor do I think any of my fellow moderators - having to stray from thinking about art to thinking about actually having to "moderate"..especially because it's never really been necessary up until this point. In the end, it is for instances such as these, however isolated, that the ignore button was instituted at the request of what was truly an unfortunately large number of people within just the past couple weeks. And it was with great reluctance on the part of the moderators that the feature was implemented at all. With the karma point system in place, which allows for the community to acknowledge both positive and negative contributions to the forum, one would think that it would entirely eliminate the need for such drastic moderation by helping to open the eyes of individuals who seemingly lack enough self-awareness of not only the inappropriateness of specific comments, but more importantly their detrimental impact to other members and the community at large. As subtext to this line of thought, if even a single negative point is attained by any member, let alone an exorbitant number, perhaps it might benefit that individual - and in turn the forum as a whole - for them to take a look back at their behavior and consider why. Usually, there's a valid reason, even if not initially obvious to the person receiving the smiting. It has been said before, but it should be reinforced that this is an art discussion forum, one that has been concentrated on quality, multi-sided dialogue about genres primarily founded from the 1990s onward (for the most part . There are undoubtedly other art message boards out that might better suite the true contemporary art fan, as they might receive more engagement rather than it being a one-side, relentless stream of posts on a particular artist that doesn't have much of a following here. Similarly, there are probably much better internet venues for people who can post the most YouTube links in a day or to voice their unique thoughts on how smilie faces relate to fascism. Needless to say, this is not the place for any of these things. With age being such an overriding theme thus far, aren't we are all old enough and mature enough to recognize when certain comments are unnecessary and self moderate? A little restraint never killed anyone? Hell, perhaps this was unnecessary. Probably the type of thing I should've typed to vent and then delete. Maybe I will self moderate myself |
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Post by highbrow on Oct 8, 2010 23:10:36 GMT -8
I apologize for my rant, I decided to do the "adult thing" as Lowpro suggested and self moderate. I also did this because I after reading LOWPRO post I felt as if I was first adding to what was taking away from this board and second I was totally unaware of the ignore button. So instead of adding to the fire, or issue at hand I have decided to ignore certain people. Guess I wont have some many youtube clips to watch every morning.
thanks back to art
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Post by sleepboy on Oct 9, 2010 0:27:34 GMT -8
Not sure why this wasn't moved sooner. I apologize but I am laying in a hospital bed right now after undergoing a rather painful surgery and pretty out of it from the pain meds. If ever there was a kitchen sink thread, this is it. On a side note. At least this gives me a chance to let some friends on here know that I survived It's funny that one of the byproducts of this Internet crazy world is that I don't even have phone numbers to some who I consider friends and have never heard their voices. |
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Post by svenman on Oct 9, 2010 0:41:22 GMT -8
very well put lowpro. glad to hear you are back in the world of the conscious, sleepboy. |
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Post by highbrow on Oct 9, 2010 0:55:56 GMT -8
Glad you pulled through Hung, hope you recover quick and thanks for starting this great place and more importantly for not letting one or two bad apples spoil it. i have learned more here in 2 years about art then I have my whole life. thank you again and get well soon
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Post by rsingletary on Oct 9, 2010 2:37:55 GMT -8
MESSAGE FOR sleepboy
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Originally, I wondered if this thread should have been placed in the kitchen sink section.
Yet, I felt it would be fine as general discussion as it asked for other people's opinion
on this sticky issue. Lots of friends have Emailed me to say they hate smiley face emoticons
too. Thus, I was curious to find out how others felt here. sleepboy....thanks for moving this
thread because it will probably do better in the kitchen sink section. You can find subjects
there you can't find elsewhere on this website ( and that's a big plus !! ).
By the way, I also send you best wishes for a fast and complete recovery. I'm putting in a
prayer for you today.
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Signed: Robert Singletary__Saturday October 9, 2010__6:37 A.M.
(eastern standard time) USA
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Post by svenman on Oct 9, 2010 6:06:45 GMT -8
i'm going to lock this thread and let it sink as it's going nowhere.
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