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Post by afroken on Oct 9, 2012 8:25:41 GMT -8
I can see why you might think that from photographs Neil but that Lucien Smith is huge and the pies are, well, pie size. Nick's works are done using pennies so their much more subtle and delicate.
From what I've seen I like the pies. They take the exuberant youth theme to the extreme to the point of being almost infantile, but in a good way.
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Post by ricosg11 on Oct 9, 2012 10:48:42 GMT -8
Funny you say that. I thought they were the same works until you brought the similarities to light. I think these emote quite a bit more than the rain works. Growing on me, but not quite there yet. Reminds me a little bit of the work Nick Darmstaedter produced recently. Both quite organic in their construction, it would appear? Would certainly like to see more and hear more about this piece. Really liking what both artists are doing currently. |
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Post by mose on Oct 9, 2012 16:07:42 GMT -8
First thing I thought of seeing this was, "Julian Schnabel". For some reason, it totally brought to mind Schnabel's original paintings on crockery that were his big breakthrough. Of course, Smith isn't painting on top of these tins, no figurative, no technical skill and no content so to speak, which some would say brings him perfectly in-line with Schnabel anyway. Then, I started to think of Richard Serra. Not the torqued ellipses that we know him for now, but the old-school Serra as 'process artist'.  Serra's famous verb list from 1969. Serra, around the late 1960's, was doing works like Splashing and Casting where he would throw molten lead against the corner of a room. Serra's work, basically, was the verb equivalent to the 'nouns' that were Judd's 'specific objects'. Action painting where the painting is the action. Smith is kind of following a similar approach, in my opinion and with the context I've seen so far, with the 'pie paintings' and 'rain paintings'. Both styles of work are verbs, are actions. Throwing, raining, etc. It seems to me that the art historical reference is there. Perhaps the humor is a little to close to the way Colen skewered abstract expressionism with the birdsh!t paintings though. And, in the end, these works of Smith will live and die by the oeuvre he produces as a whole and not individually. If the ideas work, they will need to be supported by context from other works, writings, etc. Finally, the image in some ways reminds me of Sam Falls, and artist that is substantially further along than Smith although only about 5 years older and still 'young'. |
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Post by ricosg11 on Oct 10, 2012 8:04:09 GMT -8
Ahh, Vic, just saw your pic on instagram. When I had read oil on canvas, I thought the pies were Trompe-l'œil. So these things are the actual pie tins affixed to the canvas?
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Post by afroken on Oct 10, 2012 8:06:23 GMT -8
Yes indeed, and bits of pastry and fruit as well. I'm guessing the pies were filled with paint before being thrown at the canvas. I like it!  They also have 8 smaller works from the series hidden away. All sold within a couple of hours. |
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Post by mose on Oct 10, 2012 9:44:44 GMT -8
I guess a question I would throw out is, "Why pies thrown at canvas?"
Is it art historical, and perhaps a reference to Thiebaud and pop, while also a dig at minimalism through process art?
The funny part of pie throwing is a pie thrown in the face, not just against a wall. It's the look on someone's face, with cream and whatnot spilling down. So, why throw pies at a canvas? Is it just a play on 'throw things against the wall and see what sticks?' Is it missing part of the gag, namely the facial element? Is it less successful for that?
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Post by rizza79 on Oct 10, 2012 12:54:57 GMT -8
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Post by vlcane on Oct 10, 2012 14:08:01 GMT -8
What were the prices and are any still available?
Afro, nice falls by the way. Looks sharp
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Post by afroken on Oct 10, 2012 14:12:22 GMT -8
Thanks dude. Happy with my purchase.
The pies had all sold by the time I got to the stand so didn't ask price. The small ones actually work a lot better than the big piece so hopefully he'll do a few more. I suspect he will.
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Post by sam.register on Oct 10, 2012 18:56:51 GMT -8
Where is the process and skill?
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Post by sam.register on Oct 10, 2012 18:57:57 GMT -8
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Post by saL on Oct 11, 2012 1:43:47 GMT -8
Those pie pieces look kind of cool, but I think I could make one myself in 5 minutes. How much do they cost and why? Where is the process and skill? Are these just random works, or part of a larger narrative? Im finding it hard to believe someone can be interested in art to the point he/she is a member of a forum, and STILL having this argument?!.. I dont remember seeing a definition of art being a product that requires a certain amount of time, and special process and skills to be produced.. and that, in my opinion, is what makes is exciting..  |
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Post by vlcane on Oct 11, 2012 4:10:31 GMT -8
Sal, nice reply. I have always believed the same idea, look at Jackson Pollocks paintings..... My daughter creates similar work in preschool, is she a genius artist? Probably not
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Post by 80 on Oct 11, 2012 5:10:23 GMT -8
Those pie pieces look kind of cool, but I think I could make one myself in 5 minutes. How much do they cost and why? Where is the process and skill? Are these just random works, or part of a larger narrative? Im finding it hard to believe someone can be interested in art to the point he/she is a member of a forum, and STILL having this argument?!.. I dont remember seeing a definition of art being a product that requires a certain amount of time, and special process and skills to be produced.. and that, in my opinion, is what makes is exciting.. well said! |
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Post by mose on Oct 11, 2012 7:04:41 GMT -8
Sal, nice reply. I have always believed the same idea, look at Jackson Pollocks paintings..... My daughter creates similar work in preschool, is she a genius artist? Probably not “Unlike in music, there are no child prodigies in painting. What people regard as premature genius is the genius of childhood. It gradually disappears as they get older. It is possible for such a child to become a real painter one day, perhaps even a great painter. But he would have to start right from the beginning. So far as I am concerned, I did not have that genius. My first drawings could never have been shown at an exhibition of children’s drawings. I lacked the clumsiness of a child, his naivety. I made academic drawings at the age of seven, the minute precision of which frightened me.” - Picasso. ____________________________________________________ A number of elements had become characteristic in his art of this period: Picasso’s use of simplified imagery, the way he let the unpainted canvas shine through, his emphatic use of lines, and the vagueness of the subject. In 1956, the artist would comment, referring to some schoolchildren: “When I was as old as these children, I could draw like Raphael, but it took me a lifetime to learn to draw like them.” |
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Post by djsp on Oct 11, 2012 7:48:06 GMT -8
“Unlike in music, there are no child prodigies in painting. What people regard as premature genius is the genius of childhood. It gradually disappears as they get older. It is possible for such a child to become a real painter one day, perhaps even a great painter. But he would have to start right from the beginning. So far as I am concerned, I did not have that genius. My first drawings could never have been shown at an exhibition of children’s drawings. I lacked the clumsiness of a child, his naivety. I made academic drawings at the age of seven, the minute precision of which frightened me.” - Picasso. ____________________________________________________ A number of elements had become characteristic in his art of this period: Picasso’s use of simplified imagery, the way he let the unpainted canvas shine through, his emphatic use of lines, and the vagueness of the subject. In 1956, the artist would comment, referring to some schoolchildren: “When I was as old as these children, I could draw like Raphael, but it took me a lifetime to learn to draw like them.” I love these quotes. |
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Post by commandax on Oct 11, 2012 9:20:16 GMT -8
Those pie pieces look kind of cool, but I think I could make one myself in 5 minutes. How much do they cost and why? Where is the process and skill? Are these just random works, or part of a larger narrative? My issue with Lucien Smith's work is that everything I've seen so far is a coy but not particularly inspired replay of something someone else did decades ago — Pollock, Schnabel, Klein... etc. His work just seems vapid and derivative to me. |
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Post by drevil on Oct 11, 2012 10:05:20 GMT -8
The main thing I see with this work is taking things from the past such as action painting and adding immaturity and/or youthfulness. But as Mose pointed out he seems to have missed the mark with these pie paintings. Perhaps he should have silk screened on faces of teenagers on the canvas or something like that. As is I just don't really follow what the concept is. I don't remember ever throwing pies against a wall in my younger years.
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Post by mose on Oct 16, 2012 14:32:58 GMT -8
btw, for anyone in the area, book signing for Lucien Smith 'Small Rain Paintings' at OHWOW Book Club in NYC on Thursday from 6-8.
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Post by mose on Oct 29, 2012 13:38:35 GMT -8
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Post by afroken on Oct 29, 2012 14:26:07 GMT -8
A new series from Lucien involving 'customised' guitar bodies scrawled with doodles, as I understand it.
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Post by rizza79 on Oct 30, 2012 4:23:09 GMT -8
from what I saw, the vibrations are far from good  |
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Post by afroken on Oct 30, 2012 9:30:23 GMT -8
And Half Gallery seems like an odd choice. My view of them is tainted by the crap they produce through Exhibition A. They strike me as total ambulance chasing cowboy wannabes!
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Post by mose on Oct 30, 2012 13:48:44 GMT -8
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Post by drevil on Oct 30, 2012 14:35:41 GMT -8
Gag
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