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Post by ricosg11 on Jan 16, 2014 12:25:48 GMT -8
he is watching... Love that they make fun of us, too.  |
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Post by drevil on Jan 16, 2014 13:23:35 GMT -8
he is watching... Love that they make fun of us, too. Which is probably good. This might be one of the few places where everyone doesn't worship the ground he walks on. |
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Post by mose on Jan 17, 2014 7:07:44 GMT -8
He should get a kick out of it. It's got to be kind of crazy experience seeing anonymous people from around the world discuss, both praising and criticizing, your life's work.
I admit, at his age the concept of that, the weight of it all, would have absolutely crushed be. I could not have handled it.
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Post by whogotham on Jan 17, 2014 20:21:45 GMT -8
He has probably been commenting in this thread the whole time, haha
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Post by mose on Jan 20, 2014 17:33:04 GMT -8
First lot in the upcoming Christie's contemporary art evening sale is a large rain painting.
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Post by alexart on Jan 21, 2014 13:47:40 GMT -8
and first lot in Sitheby's evening sale too;
Talk about market manipulation?
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Post by alexart on Jan 21, 2014 13:50:50 GMT -8
Who want to guess who will buyers and underbidder on this one?
Easy game?
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Post by trapnel1 on Jan 21, 2014 14:03:13 GMT -8
Two more smaller works in the Sotheby's day auction the following day as well.
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Post by artcubed on Jan 23, 2014 14:45:51 GMT -8
paddle8.com/work/lucien-smith/25509-blue am I right in thinking this was the $10 poster? if so, madness! Did anyone see what this ended at - I saw it at $2k a few hours before the end, which is crazy for an offset lithograph (was it even signed?). Same image here for just $20!! store.thereedspace.com/redu-tote-bag-lucien-mark-smith/dp/32281 |
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Post by badrenalin on Jan 27, 2014 4:41:52 GMT -8
Anyone selling a Lucien Smith?
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Post by ricosg11 on Jan 27, 2014 5:24:26 GMT -8
I think there are a handful coming to auction next month...
mose has a print for sale in his "winter offerings" thread in the for sale section...
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Post by queequeg on Jan 27, 2014 7:42:04 GMT -8
I regret not buying one of those inkjet things from exhibition a back when they were $250 or something. Based on the hype I knew it would be an easy flip, it just made me feel sick to my stomach to purchase such utter tripe to begin with. But still, I wouldn't mind pocketing 2k on one of those, have to remember not to let my morals get in the way of making a fast buck next time.
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Post by sam.register on Feb 3, 2014 1:33:58 GMT -8
I regret not buying one of those inkjet things from exhibition a back when they were $250 or something. Based on the hype I knew it would be an easy flip, it just made me feel sick to my stomach to purchase such utter tripe to begin with. But still, I wouldn't mind pocketing 2k on one of those, have to remember not to let my morals get in the way of making a fast buck next time. suckerspay a 800% markup |
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Post by heisenburg on Feb 3, 2014 13:17:23 GMT -8
paddle8.com/work/lucien-smith/25509-blue am I right in thinking this was the $10 poster? if so, madness! Did anyone see what this ended at - I saw it at $2k a few hours before the end, which is crazy for an offset lithograph (was it even signed?). Same image here for just $20!! store.thereedspace.com/redu-tote-bag-lucien-mark-smith/dp/32281Sold out! $20 for a tote bag, but in a edition of only 50. I don't get it. |
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Post by lisadeneka on Mar 27, 2014 1:41:59 GMT -8
I just have to say as an artist myself, I don't see what the hype is about lucien's work thus far. Yes, hes young, yes hes dating a big wig collector's daughter, yes hes exhibiting now worldwide fetching six digits easily each piece....maybe id have to see a show in person to change my decision, impression. But I just dont see the fascination or exorbitant talent shooting paint from a fire extinguisher or framing gym mats. Now his sculptures are promising with more thought and content. I guess ill take german expressionists any day over our contemporary minimalist current movement. Six figures , really? And I was happy making a couple hundred at recent art fair selling my mixed media. If this lucien art is what top collectors ate buying and is all the rave, I might as well throw in my towel now.... my female nudes and complex mixed media pieces will never make it I guess. Ho hum
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Post by vinnyvincente on Mar 27, 2014 5:13:39 GMT -8
I just have to say as an artist myself, I don't see what the hype is about lucien's work thus far. Yes, hes young, yes hes dating a big wig collector's daughter, yes hes exhibiting now worldwide fetching six digits easily each piece....maybe id have to see a show in person to change my decision, impression. But I just dont see the fascination or exorbitant talent shooting paint from a fire extinguisher or framing gym mats. Now his sculptures are promising with more thought and content. I guess ill take german expressionists any day over our contemporary minimalist current movement. Six figures , really? And I was happy making a couple hundred at recent art fair selling my mixed media. If this lucien art is what top collectors ate buying and is all the rave, I might as well throw in my towel now.... my female nudes and complex mixed media pieces will never make it I guess. Ho hum From looking at your blog I think you're right. |
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Post by queequeg on Mar 27, 2014 11:20:28 GMT -8
From looking at your blog I think you're right. No need to be mean, not everyone wants or needs to be the darling of rich contemporary art collectors. If the current contemporary minimal "edgy" abstract movement was like grunge ... Lucien Smith would be the Silverchair of the scene. Lucien is old news anyway, Ostrowski is the new hot kid in town. Man, a splurt of blue spraypaint on canvas. So divine, so hot, I can't believe my eyes! OMG #havetohaveit! |
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Post by wimbledongreen on Mar 27, 2014 14:37:21 GMT -8
I just have to say as an artist myself, I don't see what the hype is about lucien's work thus far. Yes, hes young, yes hes dating a big wig collector's daughter, yes hes exhibiting now worldwide fetching six digits easily each piece....maybe id have to see a show in person to change my decision, impression. But I just dont see the fascination or exorbitant talent shooting paint from a fire extinguisher or framing gym mats. Now his sculptures are promising with more thought and content. I guess ill take german expressionists any day over our contemporary minimalist current movement. Six figures , really? And I was happy making a couple hundred at recent art fair selling my mixed media. If this lucien art is what top collectors ate buying and is all the rave, I might as well throw in my towel now.... my female nudes and complex mixed media pieces will never make it I guess. Ho hum I won't say I'm a Lucian Smith fan but it's too easy to look the surface of a lot of modern and contemporary art and dismiss it with a sort of "my kid could do that" type of argument. Or in this case "my fire extinguisher" could do that. A monkey could paint a Twombly. Warhol couldn't even paint (sarcasm). Normal Rockwell could probably draw circles around Lucien Smith but I think that quality isn't as important with abstract or conceptual art. I started a thread on artist Michael Manning and his art gets dismissed by some because it is primarily iPad paintings that look simple aesthetically and gets a "my kid could do that....on an iPad" type argument. But to address what seems your main concern I do agree there are many artists who don't get adopted by the highbrow art system and many very talented artists who will go unseen and not make much money. A big part of the highbrow art system is being connected with the right collector, dealer, or artist at the right time. That's not consolation for other artists but hopefully you and they will continue to create regardless. And as far as queequeg's comment goes: who's Silverchair? |
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Post by 80 on Mar 27, 2014 17:29:26 GMT -8
I just have to say as an artist myself, I don't see what the hype is about lucien's work thus far. Yes, hes young, yes hes dating a big wig collector's daughter, yes hes exhibiting now worldwide fetching six digits easily each piece....maybe id have to see a show in person to change my decision, impression. But I just dont see the fascination or exorbitant talent shooting paint from a fire extinguisher or framing gym mats. Now his sculptures are promising with more thought and content. I guess ill take german expressionists any day over our contemporary minimalist current movement. Six figures , really? And I was happy making a couple hundred at recent art fair selling my mixed media. If this lucien art is what top collectors ate buying and is all the rave, I might as well throw in my towel now.... my female nudes and complex mixed media pieces will never make it I guess. Ho hum I won't say I'm a Lucian Smith fan but it's too easy to look the surface of a lot of modern and contemporary art and dismiss it with a sort of "my kid could do that" type of argument. Or in this case "my fire extinguisher" could do that. A monkey could paint a Twombly. Warhol couldn't even paint (sarcasm). Normal Rockwell could probably draw circles around Lucien Smith but I think that quality isn't as important with abstract or conceptual art. I started a thread on artist Michael Manning and his art gets dismissed by some because it is primarily iPad paintings that look simple aesthetically and gets a "my kid could do that....on an iPad" type argument. But to address what seems your main concern I do agree there are many artists who don't get adopted by the highbrow art system and many very talented artists who will go unseen and not make much money. A big part of the highbrow art system is being connected with the right collector, dealer, or artist at the right time. That's not consolation for other artists but hopefully you and they will continue to create regardless. And as far as queequeg's comment goes: who's Silverchair? at the opposite end of the "my kid could paint that" is doing mental gymnastics to justify work that is essentially pretty thin. i don't think it's an accident that the market makers have zeroed in on this frothy abstraction 2.0 stuff -- it can get away with murder as there's no real way to attack it without sounding like a big fat philistine. personally think it's safer to play the "extremely sceptical until proven otherwise" card right now, even if that means missing out on getting in early on some good work |
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Post by vinnyvincente on Mar 27, 2014 23:20:52 GMT -8
I think it is too easy to jump on the "my kid could do that bandwagon". The new abstraction has been a long time coming in my view. I've been waiting a good many years to see if a new group of emerging artists were brave enough to go abstract when it seemed to have fallen so far down the hierarchy of trends in painting over the last 10 years. I've often pondered is there anything left to be said in abstract, how can an artist find a new conversation with the movement dominated by historical giants and be significant and relevant. Will it seem like a pastiche and simply irrelevant.
What I also look for though is some clarity of reason and purpose conceptually for the work. Abstract in my view needs a reason to exist that the artist needs to be able to elucidate while still providing the viewer with sufficient space for questioning. Whats to be avoided and I think this is where it gets difficult and contentious is there is some poor abstract work out there which seems to be devoid of thought or reasoning. It's all highly subjective and personal but I'm glad to see a return of some exciting abstract and process based work. It's easy to be dismissive. Also not everything has to be bought and owned so missing out on early work through any initial scepticism seems to be to me personally the wrong motivation. If you love it you love it, if you can love it and acquire it even better but for me the return of both artists and gallerists to the abstract realm is truly exciting.
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Post by 80 on Mar 28, 2014 4:34:49 GMT -8
I think it is too easy to jump on the "my kid could do that bandwagon". The new abstraction has been a long time coming in my view. I've been waiting a good many years to see if a new group of emerging artists were brave enough to go abstract when it seemed to have fallen so far down the hierarchy of trends in painting over the last 10 years. I've often pondered is there anything left to be said in abstract, how can an artist find a new conversation with the movement dominated by historical giants and be significant and relevant. Will it seem like a pastiche and simply irrelevant. What I also look for though is some clarity of reason and purpose conceptually for the work. Abstract in my view needs a reason to exist that the artist needs to be able to elucidate while still providing the viewer with sufficient space for questioning. Whats to be avoided and I think this is where it gets difficult and contentious is there is some poor abstract work out there which seems to be devoid of thought or reasoning. It's all highly subjective and personal but I'm glad to see a return of some exciting abstract and process based work. It's easy to be dismissive. Also not everything has to be bought and owned so missing out on early work through any initial scepticism seems to be to me personally the wrong motivation. If you love it you love it, if you can love it and acquire it even better but for me the return of both artists and gallerists to the abstract realm is truly exciting. i'd disagree about there being anything brave about this new group. to me it all feels very safe and checkbox-y. my problem isnt that i dont like it, it's that i like it all. there's nothing there not to like. anyway, we're living in the most technologically bizarre time in decades, the way we live our entire lives has changed, and we pick now to to be the moment to explore on-canvas abstraction? to me that disconnect is too great to ignore if 'not everything has to be bought and owned' then the production line assembly of this stuff could have fooled me. matter of time until they all start launching diffusion lines |
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Post by iron on Mar 28, 2014 6:44:53 GMT -8
I just have to say as an artist myself, I don't see what the hype is about lucien's work thus far. Yes, hes young, yes hes dating a big wig collector's daughter, yes hes exhibiting now worldwide fetching six digits easily each piece....maybe id have to see a show in person to change my decision, impression. But I just dont see the fascination or exorbitant talent shooting paint from a fire extinguisher or framing gym mats. Now his sculptures are promising with more thought and content. I guess ill take german expressionists any day over our contemporary minimalist current movement. Six figures , really? And I was happy making a couple hundred at recent art fair selling my mixed media. If this lucien art is what top collectors ate buying and is all the rave, I might as well throw in my towel now.... my female nudes and complex mixed media pieces will never make it I guess. Ho hum You can find some answers here: |
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Post by vinnyvincente on Mar 28, 2014 8:24:05 GMT -8
Only part of the answer and it's unfair to class everybody in that bracket.
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Post by vinnyvincente on Mar 28, 2014 8:25:00 GMT -8
Plus I'm not sure she wanted answers other than to plug her own art in a roundabout and not very well disguised fashion.
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Post by wimbledongreen on Mar 28, 2014 9:58:31 GMT -8
...What I also look for though is some clarity of reason and purpose conceptually for the work. Abstract in my view needs a reason to exist that the artist needs to be able to elucidate while still providing the viewer with sufficient space for questioning. Whats to be avoided and I think this is where it gets difficult and contentious is there is some poor abstract work out there which seems to be devoid of thought or reasoning. Well put. |
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