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Post by pokymoll on Apr 26, 2013 0:50:45 GMT -8
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Post by pokymoll on Jun 13, 2013 1:49:34 GMT -8
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Post by mose on Jun 13, 2013 3:17:18 GMT -8
I still haven't come to embrace her work, though it appears collectors disagree with me.
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Post by afroken on Jun 13, 2013 6:47:38 GMT -8
I finally got to see her work in person at Art Brussels and it left me stone cold. In fact it looks a lot better in photographs than in person, unlike most art. It did absolutely nothing for me.
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Post by mose on Jun 13, 2013 8:34:29 GMT -8
I finally got to see her work in person at Art Brussels and it left me stone cold. In fact it looks a lot better in photographs than in person, unlike most art. It did absolutely nothing for me. I agree with this. It was seeing her work in person that made me less-than-enthusiastic about it. On the internet, it looks much better(IMO) than it did to my eye in person. |
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Post by pokymoll on Jun 13, 2013 22:58:51 GMT -8
I finally got to see her work in person at Art Brussels and it left me stone cold. In fact it looks a lot better in photographs than in person, unlike most art. It did absolutely nothing for me. I agree with this. It was seeing her work in person that made me less-than-enthusiastic about it. On the internet, it looks much better(IMO) than it did to my eye in person. Well I disagree, I've seen her booth at Miami and it was absolutly stunning. The big canvas are super cool and full of ambiguousness with their (almost) 3D surface. I like them. |
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Post by rizza79 on Jun 14, 2013 4:13:07 GMT -8
as I mentioned earlier in the year, I didn't understand why she was so hot because the work doesn't get past "ok" to me. I agree with Afroken, it is very cold. the cranking of output and price bumping also doesn't do much for me either. i will admit that I did like those benches/sculptures she created for the one show she had.
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Post by mose on Jun 14, 2013 8:01:58 GMT -8
Well, she certainly doesn't fit the cookie cutter fresh out the MFA of a prestigious NYC institution, twenty-something year old cool guy that looks (or at least dresses like) Dan Colen, irreverent artist that everyone on this board seems to jizz their pants over lately. BFA Corcoran, MFA Yale, twenty-something(or maybe just 30), lives in Brooklyn, shows in the Lower East Side, compared to Auerbach and work called 'beguiling'. About the only thing you got right was the missing Y-chromosome aspect. So, that would make it 'cool girl'. When you take aim at people, do try to avoid shooting yourself. |
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Post by drevil on Jun 14, 2013 8:10:15 GMT -8
Awesome.
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Post by outerborough on Jun 14, 2013 8:23:52 GMT -8
Mose, I think you misinterpreted Mazzie's post. He/she wrote that Moyer "doesn't fit the cookie cutter" mold of artists people on the board "jizz their pants over."
Not sure exactly what was meant, but I took it as supportive of Moyer, and as a dig on the board's collectors and on certain "hyped" artists like Dan Colen.
Or maybe I'm reading it wrong?
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Post by mose on Jun 14, 2013 8:34:16 GMT -8
Mose, I think you misinterpreted Mazzie's post. He/she wrote that Moyer " doesn't fit the cookie cutter" mold of artists people on the board "jizz their pants over." Not sure exactly what was meant, but I took it as supportive of Moyer, and as a dig on the board's collectors and on certain "hyped" artists like Dan Colen. Or maybe I'm reading it wrong? Mazzie's slap at the board is wrong in that Moyer is EXACTLY what Mazzie is criticizing, just missing the Y-chromosome. She is very much the 'cookie cutter'. |
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Post by outerborough on Jun 14, 2013 8:40:14 GMT -8
ah, got it. didn't know moyer's bg.
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Post by artladval on Jun 14, 2013 9:25:15 GMT -8
Whoa take it easy big boi, I'm not aiming at anyone specifically. I don't spend enough time on this thing to know what any specific person here jizzes over. I do however come frequent enough to observe who this forum collectively jizzes over. Take what I said as you will. I'm just making an observation. I do however believe that her work on it's own is much stronger than say... Lucien Smith, Sam Falls, Israel Lund, to name a few. Sam Falls could be debatable based on the breadth of his work. What makes Moyer's work stronger than the artists you mentioned? She has made the same piece (paintings-wise) for the past two to three years it seems while Smith and Falls have diverse series of works and Lund hasn't exhibited enough to make a evaluation. And what does the aggregate interest of a online forum play into the merits of an artist's work? |
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Post by ricosg11 on Jun 14, 2013 10:35:41 GMT -8
as I mentioned earlier in the year, I didn't understand why she was so hot because the work doesn't get past "ok" to me. I agree with Afroken, it is very cold. the cranking of output and price bumping also doesn't do much for me either. i will admit that I did like those benches/sculptures she created for the one show she had. pumping out of work? I certainly dont find that to be the case and I see most of the output. She has a very reputable mid-tier gallery in europe and there has been one price increase in 2-3 years. I may be marginally off on the pricing at most. How much cheaper should a 7x10ft canvas be at 26k? |
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Post by artladval on Jun 14, 2013 10:59:02 GMT -8
as I mentioned earlier in the year, I didn't understand why she was so hot because the work doesn't get past "ok" to me. I agree with Afroken, it is very cold. the cranking of output and price bumping also doesn't do much for me either. i will admit that I did like those benches/sculptures she created for the one show she had. pumping out of work? I certainly dont find that to be the case and I see most of the output. She has a very reputable mid-tier gallery in europe and there has been one price increase in 2-3 years. I may be marginally off on the pricing at most. How much cheaper should a 7x10ft canvas be at 26k? Yeah, I would give her gallery credit for modestly increasing prices even though they seem to be selling out everything that comes in. I was just reading that Theaster Gates and Jacob Kassay (and I'm not comparing Moyer at all to those two) now sell at primary for six-figures-plus and I think that's a bit high for where they're at. |
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Post by mose on Jun 14, 2013 11:44:41 GMT -8
Whoa take it easy big boi, please, I am 100% an Andre 3000 guy. |
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Post by 80 on Jun 14, 2013 16:41:57 GMT -8
She has made the same piece (paintings-wise) for the past two to three years i dont know about this, certainly there's enough textural variation in her work to keep me interested. either way 2-3 years spent fleshing out a method/body of work feels normal to me, though admittedly makes for a less gripping short term viewing than some of the other names mentioned in here |
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Post by artladval on Jun 14, 2013 17:18:02 GMT -8
She has made the same piece (paintings-wise) for the past two to three years i dont know about this, certainly there's enough textural variation in her work to keep me interested. either way 2-3 years spent fleshing out a method/body of work feels normal to me, though admittedly makes for a less gripping short term viewing than some of the other names mentioned in here What I meant was that she's been exploring her dyes for the past couple years and all her solo and group shows have featured them and not any other new series. With Lucien Smith, you've got the rain paintings, guitar bodies, pie paintings, the stuff in Clean Sweep, etc. Sam Falls has a ton of different stuff in his empire of galleries around NYC and LA and abroad. |
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Post by drevil on Jun 14, 2013 17:41:12 GMT -8
i dont know about this, certainly there's enough textural variation in her work to keep me interested. either way 2-3 years spent fleshing out a method/body of work feels normal to me, though admittedly makes for a less gripping short term viewing than some of the other names mentioned in here What I meant was that she's been exploring her dyes for the past couple years and all her solo and group shows have featured them and not any other new series. With Lucien Smith, you've got the rain paintings, guitar bodies, pie paintings, the stuff in Clean Sweep, etc. Sam Falls has a ton of different stuff in his empire of galleries around NYC and LA and abroad. Agree with this. Moyer's stuff all looks basically the same over that period of time. Seems to speak to her level of intelligence, inventiveness, creativity or something along those lines. I don't really have strong feelings about her and mostly ignore her with the exception of this forum. Boring. To. Watch. With someone like Falls he explores certain ideas and materials for a while but the results can be strikingly different. For example dye and water have been explored via logs, hoses, and now rope. The results of each all look pretty different. But similar enough that you can still tell it is his hand or signature at work. Same with fades (dye and light) which he has been working on for almost 4 years now (2009) I think. Fun. To. Watch. |
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Post by 80 on Jun 15, 2013 2:47:46 GMT -8
i dont know about this, certainly there's enough textural variation in her work to keep me interested. either way 2-3 years spent fleshing out a method/body of work feels normal to me, though admittedly makes for a less gripping short term viewing than some of the other names mentioned in here What I meant was that she's been exploring her dyes for the past couple years and all her solo and group shows have featured them and not any other new series. With Lucien Smith, you've got the rain paintings, guitar bodies, pie paintings, the stuff in Clean Sweep, etc. Sam Falls has a ton of different stuff in his empire of galleries around NYC and LA and abroad. yeah - this is what i was commenting on. there are some artists that go through multiple bodies of work a year but that doesn't necessarily mean that's the 'right' way or that they're inherently more creative for doing so. 2-3 years spent working on a series is nothing, and that's ignoring that there has been clear progression within that time |
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Post by mose on Jun 15, 2013 5:54:17 GMT -8
for the most part, wholeheartedly agree with the above. Really nothing more to add.
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Post by jschmidtdmd on Jun 15, 2013 6:17:44 GMT -8
"Agree with this. Moyer's stuff all looks basically the same over that period of time. Seems to speak to her level of intelligence, inventiveness, creativity or something along those lines. I don't really have strong feelings about her and mostly ignore her with the exception of this forum. Boring. To. Watch. "
This is actually untrue. She has works that deviate from the fabrics and dyes.
They are done on glass, paper, etc.
I think her progress will be very interesting to watch.
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Post by drevil on Jun 15, 2013 6:50:49 GMT -8
Would love to see pics if any are available.
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Post by artladval on Jun 15, 2013 11:14:52 GMT -8
Lucien Smith and Sam Falls have both pumped out multiple bodies, but all seem half baked to me. I mean look at the depth of exploration; logs, hoses, fruit, ropes, rocks, tires WOW, "Rain" paintings, umbrellas, pies, seed packets, guitars, OH MY! Geniuses! Masters! Falls, I believe in. I feel like he's dedicated and will earn his place by continually developing his "practice" or whatever. I think a lot of his work is actually further exploration of the same body, which is important. Spending years at a time on a series or body is the only way to progress. I personally am extremely skeptical of the way in which so many young artists are being immediately thwarted into art stardom. I think the huge influx of investment money from people with little interest in art has created a weird new approach to art dealing, and decreased people's attention spans when observing an artists progression. It's a weird engineered and manipulated market that fabricates hype and demand by limiting or cutting off supply. Combine those two things and you have a real Hollywood blockbuster of a situation. What you described in the latter part of your post is nothing new. Artists like Julian Schnabel and David Salle are classic cases and the market aspect can easily be separated from the merits of the work with the right amount of experience. There's no use worrying about the rules of the game if there's no chance of changing them. We can just understand and be aware and apply them to our own personal standards. I think the way Lucien Smith, Sam Falls, and Sam Moyer are progressing are just fine. I only asked questions about them because you sought to compare and I think how they go about making work does not have to be just one singe vertical, but can be if that's how they naturally feel [Joe Bradley has produced completely diverse bodies of work within a short amount of time and is now exploring a single style of painting that he's still into after a couple of years]. I currently own work by none of the aforementioned three and so do not have a proven interest or financial bias. I personally think Amanda Ross-Ho (although she is a little bit older) is a better artist than them all and she has zero market support and "manipulation", even though she's represented by some of the most experienced and knowledgeable auction house couples around. |
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Post by pokymoll on Jun 15, 2013 23:42:45 GMT -8
"Agree with this. Moyer's stuff all looks basically the same over that period of time. Seems to speak to her level of intelligence, inventiveness, creativity or something along those lines. I don't really have strong feelings about her and mostly ignore her with the exception of this forum. Boring. To. Watch. " This is actually untrue. She has works that deviate from the fabrics and dyes. They are done on glass, paper, etc. I think her progress will be very interesting to watch. Moyer is making a lot of research and changed her work in the last couple of years. She is not using dye anymore... read this article to understand and learn what is she doing in the last months paddle8.com/blog/2013/05/10/timothee-chaillou-interviews-artist-sam-moyer/And, a part of the black and white colour, the works are always changing, both in the producing process and in the aestethic result. See her last work in the LA group show (no more a wall sculpture). www.paintinginla.com/2013/05/painting-in-place.htmlis this the same of this? www.contemporaryartdaily.com/2010/09/sam-moyer-at-max-hans-daniel/maxhansdaniel-galerie-sam-moyer-9/I don't think. Not to mention the other bodies of works. Anyway, Sam falls is a super artist... I am not so sure about Lucien Smith and his broken guitars. |
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