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Post by rizza79 on Sept 16, 2012 5:50:19 GMT -8
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Post by afroken on Sept 16, 2012 13:36:16 GMT -8
Thanks Rizza. A couple more have popped up on Instagram:   |
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Post by rizza79 on Sept 16, 2012 19:05:30 GMT -8
this show looks to have been well received. I know there is plenty of interest in Luciens work. I think I even saw an IG photo of Irving Blum doing a walk through of the show prior to the opening. That could be viewed from a number of different angles, but still worth noting. I would be anxious to hear what anyone that follows Lucien thinks of the show. From the little info I have, I would say that some of the Rain Paintings I have seen not exhibited are better than what is in the show.
This is directly in relation to my thoughts in earlier posts about this show serving as a means of justifying this series in general. Imo opinion it leaves a good amount of conversation to be had for Mr. Smith. Great marketing on the part of Bondaroff and OHWOW and a lot of unanswered questions for the young talented artist. I guess more is still TBD after seeing his next full body of gallery work.
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Post by vlcane on Sept 17, 2012 10:58:35 GMT -8
Did anyone purchase any of these pieces and also what are the prices?
Thanks
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Post by afroken on Sept 17, 2012 11:32:32 GMT -8
So judging from what I've seen there appears to have been only two large blue paintings and the rest seem to be small black ones? Or maybe I'm missing something.
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Post by rosenblumari on Sept 17, 2012 13:10:44 GMT -8
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Post by mose on Sept 17, 2012 13:29:01 GMT -8
This is directly in relation to my thoughts in earlier posts about this show serving as a means of justifying this series in general. Imo opinion it leaves a good amount of conversation to be had for Mr. Smith. Great marketing on the part of Bondaroff and OHWOW and a lot of unanswered questions for the young talented artist. I guess more is still TBD after seeing his next full body of gallery work. Completely agree, but I will add the caveat that I am not sure how talented yet because I think 'too young' at this moment. Too 'still with his influences'. Side note, I am looking for a good picture, and will scan from a text if needed, but these Rain Paintings look very similar to some work made by Christopher Wool in 1986. But just as that work doesn't define Wool, these works(hopefully) won't define Smith. It'll be fun for me to look back at posts once he has five or six cycles under his belt. What I am looking for, in all young artists, is Stella 1958. Smith surely hasn't delivered that. Nothing he's done so far is redefining art in any way. But, Rothko didn't develop his mature style until he was about 45 years old. Robert Irwin was an abstract expressionist long past the time he was Smith's age. Hell, Donald Judd was still painting until around 35. Smith has plenty of time. I just worry that the modern race to youth in art, dealers at MFA shows and whatnot, will result in stunted growth in the long run. I wonder if we will get into a situation where artists can't work through their influences, make their mistakes, push forward and develop their styles because commerce is a very early and always present concern. I mean, what kind of world would it be if we rushed and the only whisky available was young? It would be brash, bold, but very unrefined and without depth and nuance. There's something to be said about taking the time to age properly. |
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Post by afroken on Sept 17, 2012 13:59:32 GMT -8
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Post by Weezy on Sept 17, 2012 19:44:18 GMT -8
This is directly in relation to my thoughts in earlier posts about this show serving as a means of justifying this series in general. Imo opinion it leaves a good amount of conversation to be had for Mr. Smith. Great marketing on the part of Bondaroff and OHWOW and a lot of unanswered questions for the young talented artist. I guess more is still TBD after seeing his next full body of gallery work. Completely agree, but I will add the caveat that I am not sure how talented yet because I think 'too young' at this moment. Too 'still with his influences'. Side note, I am looking for a good picture, and will scan from a text if needed, but these Rain Paintings look very similar to some work made by Christopher Wool in 1986. But just as that work doesn't define Wool, these works(hopefully) won't define Smith. It'll be fun for me to look back at posts once he has five or six cycles under his belt. What I am looking for, in all young artists, is Stella 1958. Smith surely hasn't delivered that. Nothing he's done so far is redefining art in any way. But, Rothko didn't develop his mature style until he was about 45 years old. Robert Irwin was an abstract expressionist long past the time he was Smith's age. Hell, Donald Judd was still painting until around 35. Smith has plenty of time. I just worry that the modern race to youth in art, dealers at MFA shows and whatnot, will result in stunted growth in the long run. I wonder if we will get into a situation where artists can't work through their influences, make their mistakes, push forward and develop their styles because commerce is a very early and always present concern. I mean, what kind of world would it be if we rushed and the only whisky available was young? It would be brash, bold, but very unrefined and without depth and nuance. There's something to be said about taking the time to age properly. Interesting thoughts Mose. I agree that hot emerging artists may lack a degree of maturity in their work that doesn't live up to the hype. On the flip side, I think that early success can encourage an artist to be innovative because of factors effecting how they perceive risk. First of all the expectations are higher to surprise and wow, while at the same time white hot demand allows for a few misses in the pursuit of something fresh, especially if the artist subsequently hits on something that critics embrace. Moreover, young artists don't have the responsibilities that come with age that make us more conservative (obligations to family, greater financial security, etc.) so they can just go for it. And once you have the confidence to take risk, because you've been successful doing it, evolution of the artist's vision can become that person's habit. They will become ever better in the many years that span before them. Contrast that with an artist who has slowly built a following doing one type of work that's broadly accessible and reliably sellable. Often those are the artists who aren't evolving at all, because they're doing "reliable" and good enough to accomplish the extraordinary feat of being a working artist. As for Lucien Smith, I was at the opening. Arrived early when there was literally almost nobody there. The pieces were only slightly more impressive live, in that there's a halo effect where the paint has saturated into the untreated linen that gives it dimension. I get it that the work is conceptual rather than aesthetic, but I still don't get the hype, at least based on this work. The presentation was odd. There were one or two small paintings per wall in the massive front room, that were lost in the expanse of white and really didn't do the pieces any favors by the presentation. The larger pieces were clustered in a back room with a woodchip floor, which was fine, but to what benefit vs having them in the larger room I'm not sure. If it were to achieve a surround effect, I could see that logic but it probably then needed to be in a smaller or at least different room to be impactful. Weezy |
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Post by sam.register on Sept 17, 2012 20:50:03 GMT -8
Yawn
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Post by sleepboy on Sept 18, 2012 10:02:09 GMT -8
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Post by afroken on Sept 18, 2012 11:21:46 GMT -8
It's all the Emperor's new clothes. These works show no talent, effort or even a concept. You're all been drinking the cool kid koolaid. These are my favorite kinds of posts. The ones that don't just slag off the artist, but everyone who likes that artist too. |
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Post by origo on Sept 18, 2012 11:25:10 GMT -8
Allthough I agree that with you afroken, that those kind of posts are not the best way to start a debate I would love to hear what people like about his work and possibly these works from the last exhibition?
His vision, execution, etc? I am curious, cause I hate being left numb and that´s how it makes me feel.
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Post by afroken on Sept 18, 2012 11:37:25 GMT -8
All I can tell you Origo is that if you look back at my posts on the first page of this thread I saw a Rain pinting for the first time in London before the hype machine started and I was mesmerised. I hadn't heard of Lucien Smith and had no preconceptions. They are the kind of paintings that make you feel like you ought to whisper in their presence. In certain lighting conditions, particularly at dusk in my home, the unprimed canvas really absorbs the light whilst the paint really reflects it and the painting really wakes up / comes alive. I can't really explain it beyond that except to say that photos do them little or no justice.
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Post by sam.register on Sept 18, 2012 17:09:47 GMT -8
All I can tell you Origo is that if you look back at my posts on the first page of this thread I saw a Rain pinting for the first time in London before the hype machine started and I was mesmerised. I hadn't heard of Lucien Smith and had no preconceptions. They are the kind of paintings that make you feel like you ought to whisper in their presence. In certain lighting conditions, particularly at dusk in my home, the unprimed canvas really absorbs the light whilst the paint really reflects it and the painting really wakes up / comes alive. I can't really explain it beyond that except to say that photos do them little or no justice. Maybe you should buy some unprimed canvas and hang it all over your house. It's cheap and easy to find. |
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Post by sam.register on Sept 18, 2012 17:13:07 GMT -8
a quick random spray on unprimed canvas takes what, a minute to execute? Couldn't anyone make one really easily?
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Post by afroken on Sept 18, 2012 22:32:31 GMT -8
Maybe you should buy some unprimed canvas and hang it all over your house. It's cheap and easy to find. Why would I want to do that? I didn't say that I didn't like the paintings. Simplicity is nice and the random spray is nice. But a quick random spray on unprimed canvas takes what, a minute to execute? Couldn't anyone make one really easily? All I want to know is why these are worth a whole exhibition and a whole discussion? Why should such simple pieces from an artist so young deserve the price tags and space these are getting? Would you like them the same if they were for sale in a small gallery in Bushwick? Ah so you like the paintings, just not the artist and you think the people who buy the art are stupid. I get it now. Just how much do you think his paintings cost? Prices are totally in line with an artist at this early stage of their career. Is it just the fact that they are being sold for anything at all? Well, welcome to contemporary art - it's not all to everyone's taste. And the time it takes to execute a work is pretty irrelevant in today's world. Why is there a discussion about him? Guess what, it's an art forum. That's what people do here. Lucien has generated a totally valid debate given the hype around such a young artist. I've never been to Bushwick but I first saw Luciens's work in a small gallery in Whitechapel - I can't imagine Bushwick being any worse! And yes it blew me away back then, but that's just my taste and my opinion. Let me throw a question back at you. Why do you have a problem with what other people enjoy? Do you think your tastes and opinions are truly a reflection of what constitutes good or bad art? |
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Post by rizza79 on Sept 19, 2012 6:16:28 GMT -8
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Post by Weezy on Sept 21, 2012 23:57:52 GMT -8
I agree I like these older pieces better than the rain pieces, but while I didn't find the rain pieces interesting at all, I also didn't find them to be awful.
Weezy
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Post by afroken on Oct 4, 2012 0:24:01 GMT -8
I'll be very interested to see everyone's reaction to his new series when it premieres at Frieze next week. The smoking painting was a red herring. The new work is definitely a logical step on from the rain series but considerably more tongue in cheek. I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it properly but it will definitely be controversial and polarising.
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Post by vlcane on Oct 8, 2012 17:49:04 GMT -8
Afroken,
Thank you for your continued insight. As a person interested in Lucien's work when will we be able to see this next body of work. I will not be in London for the fair so any photos would be great fully appreciated!!!
What gallery is showing his work at the fair, OHWOW is not Attending the fair as per the website.
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Post by lowpro on Oct 8, 2012 19:38:55 GMT -8
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Post by afroken on Oct 9, 2012 3:54:36 GMT -8
Yep, there it is; Say hello to The Pie Paintings! I'll take some better photos at Frieze tomorrow and upload them.
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Post by rizza79 on Oct 9, 2012 5:22:06 GMT -8
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Post by harveyn on Oct 9, 2012 6:44:39 GMT -8
Reminds me a little bit of the work Nick Darmstaedter produced recently. Both quite organic in their construction, it would appear? Would certainly like to see more and hear more about this piece. Really liking what both artists are doing currently. |
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