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Post by rizza79 on Feb 16, 2013 20:36:19 GMT -8
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Post by mose on Apr 17, 2013 14:28:06 GMT -8
quite like this one for Art Brussels  |
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Post by drevil on Apr 17, 2013 15:03:09 GMT -8
I'm getting tired of the hose art. Why not pick a different object?
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Post by afroken on Apr 17, 2013 21:45:19 GMT -8
quite like this one for Art Brussels I saw these yesterday Mose and that one is particularly striking. I hadn't seen this series of works in person before and I have to say I think it's some of his best work. |
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Post by drevil on Apr 18, 2013 10:27:51 GMT -8
I hate it when people say things like I said above without saying “whyâ€, so here are some more thoughts.
I must say that I don’t particularly care for these latest hose works much. I just can’t get into either the process or the image.
When I was talking to his NYC dealer about some of the earlier works in this series last November he said that Falls’ process begins with un-dyed fabric and the process dyes it - dye is put inside a hose a different points and then water is sent down the hose from each end. That just seems blah to me on its own. While you could say he is exploring time, diffusion, and saturation among other natural phenomena; I think that is merely me projecting my own thoughts onto his process. I have no idea what Falls was thinking or what motivated him to make these. Which leads to a tangent: Why do so many artists not say something (anything!) more about their thoughts, motivations, vision, etc.? It seems so easy today to self-publish, tweet, blog, or make short videos to place in the public domain. I am (slowly) reading a great book right now on minimalism art and polemics in the sixties. One message that I have taken away is that the artists that spent the time and effort on the polemics side tended to be the more well-regarded and imitated of that group (see, e.g., Donald Judd).
With regard to the image, I suppose you could say they are more gestural than his earlier minimal hose work (see fades) and that they have a combination of both abstract and representational aspects to them. But I just can’t get past the hose image in my own mind, nor could I ever hang one on my wall as a result. I am just unable to leave behind the representation of the hose and I have no interest in having a picture of a hose hanging around. I don’t know what I have against hoses. Oh well.
Regardless, they seem to represent a move away from photography for Falls as they are some of the only works I have seen from him that don’t incorporate light at all (river rock pieces being the other). Water is the activator here, not light. To me these are solidly in the painting arena of art. It will interesting to see if this is just a temporary departure for him or something more permanent.
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Post by pokymoll on Apr 19, 2013 1:48:09 GMT -8
quite like this one for Art Brussels I saw these yesterday Mose and that one is particularly striking. I hadn't seen this series of works in person before and I have to say I think it's some of his best work. This is quite interesting, this artist is doing a good job. |
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Post by 80 on Apr 28, 2013 3:24:43 GMT -8
Which leads to a tangent: Why do so many artists not say something (anything!) more about their thoughts, motivations, vision, etc.? It seems so easy today to self-publish, tweet, blog, or make short videos to place in the public domain. I am (slowly) reading a great book right now on minimalism art and polemics in the sixties. One message that I have taken away is that the artists that spent the time and effort on the polemics side tended to be the more well-regarded and imitated of that group (see, e.g., Donald Judd). been wondering the same thing since picking up an art theory anthology and being surprised by how many of the texts were actually written (or spoken) by artists themselves. watching these two videos back to back definitely made me have a long hard think. but i guess it's a slippery slope to insinuating that artists have to be educated and/or eloquent |
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Post by mose on Apr 28, 2013 4:41:13 GMT -8
A little unfair, lol. Frank Stella one of the most important artists of the last one hundred years. Dan Colen was one of the most important artists of 2006. but, I HIGHLY recommend the dvd 'Painters Painting' which is where the Stella clip comes from. One of my favorite all-time documentary-type works. Very, very special. And, as Drevil mentioned, the book 'Minimalism: Art and Polemics in the Sixties' is amazing. Its author, James Meyer, is my favorite art writer. His combination of knowledge and readability is fantastic. That puts him ahead of David Anfam, who is the expert of experts on abstract expressionism, but I find his readability to be lower. For an intro to minimalism by Meyer, grab: www.amazon.com/Minimalism-James-Meyer/dp/0714856533From Anfam, grab: www.amazon.com/Abstract-Expressionism-World-David-Anfam/dp/0500202435 |
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Post by 80 on Apr 28, 2013 6:58:11 GMT -8
yeah i realise it's pretty silly putting them side by side, it was more that it made me question what the minimum amount of 'engagement' i would expect from an artist is, and how low that can go before i'm turned off their work. it seems there's been a shift in expectations, or at least a shift in what you can get away with. or maybe all the interesting dialogue is still taking place and i'm just looking in the wrong places
had my eye on that minimalism book for a while, will put it at the top of the to-read list
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Post by ricosg11 on Apr 28, 2013 8:13:23 GMT -8
Well that sure was eye opening.
I dont see how any of Colen's collectors could watch that and then feel good about supporting his work
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Post by mose on May 6, 2013 7:34:41 GMT -8
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Post by afroken on May 6, 2013 7:38:29 GMT -8
He's changed gallery representation around the World with the same gusto that he produces art. Some serious heavy hitting galleries representing him now. It doesn't seem to have tamed him though.
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Post by ricosg11 on May 6, 2013 10:47:58 GMT -8
A little unfair, lol. Frank Stella one of the most important artists of the last one hundred years. Dan Colen was one of the most important artists of 2006. but, I HIGHLY recommend the dvd 'Painters Painting' which is where the Stella clip comes from. One of my favorite all-time documentary-type works. Very, very special. And, as Drevil mentioned, the book 'Minimalism: Art and Polemics in the Sixties' is amazing. Its author, James Meyer, is my favorite art writer. His combination of knowledge and readability is fantastic. That puts him ahead of David Anfam, who is the expert of experts on abstract expressionism, but I find his readability to be lower. For an intro to minimalism by Meyer, grab: www.amazon.com/Minimalism-James-Meyer/dp/0714856533From Anfam, grab: www.amazon.com/Abstract-Expressionism-World-David-Anfam/dp/0500202435Downloaded this documentary last week. Couldnt get through it in one sitting, but it is a must watch. Truly inspiring. |
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Post by sail on May 6, 2013 13:09:00 GMT -8
Which leads to a tangent: Why do so many artists not say something (anything!) more about their thoughts, motivations, vision, etc.? It seems so easy today to self-publish, tweet, blog, or make short videos to place in the public domain. I am (slowly) reading a great book right now on minimalism art and polemics in the sixties. One message that I have taken away is that the artists that spent the time and effort on the polemics side tended to be the more well-regarded and imitated of that group (see, e.g., Donald Judd). let the art speak for itself. |
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Post by mose on May 6, 2013 13:18:51 GMT -8
Which leads to a tangent: Why do so many artists not say something (anything!) more about their thoughts, motivations, vision, etc.? It seems so easy today to self-publish, tweet, blog, or make short videos to place in the public domain. I am (slowly) reading a great book right now on minimalism art and polemics in the sixties. One message that I have taken away is that the artists that spent the time and effort on the polemics side tended to be the more well-regarded and imitated of that group (see, e.g., Donald Judd). let the art speak for itself. which is very cool and all, but then you lose all right to be pissy about what people think it says. if you abdicate, you abdicate. i think most who decide not to accentuate their works with greater context will come to regret that decision eventually. there are very few On Kawara's(who famously does not give interviews or talk about his work) |
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Post by sail on May 6, 2013 14:05:57 GMT -8
I dunno, we're creating images, shouldn't they be able to stand on their own? if a picture's worth a thousand words, it shouldn't need a thousand words alongside it. if it does, maybe you did it wrong.
I also think art, whatever kind, should be open to interpretation, so I'm fine with it in my own work.
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Post by ricosg11 on May 6, 2013 14:19:05 GMT -8
I dunno, we're creating images, shouldn't they be able to stand on their own? if a picture's worth a thousand words, it shouldn't need a thousand words alongside it. if it does, maybe you did it wrong. I also think art, whatever kind, should be open to interpretation, so I'm fine with it in my own work. While that is true in some instances, I find that I am able to attain a much deeper appreciation for something once I have a little context. |
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Post by sail on May 6, 2013 14:21:56 GMT -8
well, the work that I respond to the most, the kind of work I'd want to own and have on my walls and see every day says something personal to me. I relate to the image in some fashion, on a level that pertains to who I am, so I don't need anyone else's context for that connection to take place.
it might matter more in abstract art, or it might matter even less, depending on how you look at it.
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Post by mose on May 6, 2013 14:22:09 GMT -8
Oh, fair enough and i can definitely see your point. Much greater minds than me, who have forgotten more than i will ever know about art, have argued exactly the same thing.
Personally though, I am against any view that separates physical object from context, or that would make external context secondary in any way. I am pretty much anti-formalist, and take issue with some of the philosophy of Clement Greenberg and Michael Fried in that regard.
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Post by drevil on May 6, 2013 14:23:28 GMT -8
I dunno, we're creating images, shouldn't they be able to stand on their own? if a picture's worth a thousand words, it shouldn't need a thousand words alongside it. if it does, maybe you did it wrong. I also think art, whatever kind, should be open to interpretation, so I'm fine with it in my own work. But wouldn't you rather have some degree of control and try to guide or drive the conversation? If art is speaking for itself then it is probably nothing more than a pretty picture. Which is fine. But I personally find that boring. |
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Post by ricosg11 on May 6, 2013 14:32:48 GMT -8
and let's be real. A large majority of the public is going to fuck up what you were attempting to say anyway. Which for me, would be the whole point of making art, to say something.
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Post by sail on May 6, 2013 14:56:04 GMT -8
who says your not saying something, just because you don't want to articulate that in fine detail to a vast sea of strangers? as for "fucking it up" if that's how they respond to it, if that's what it says to them, then it's not wrong in their perspective, which is probably the one that should matter the most to them. drevil: I have all the control I need when I'm making the art. if I want to leave it open for the viewer, that's a choice I made, using the control I have. also, lets not underrate the power of a pretty picture.  |
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Post by drevil on May 6, 2013 15:03:18 GMT -8
who says your not saying something, just because you don't want to articulate that in fine detail to a vast sea of strangers? as for "fucking it up" if that's how they respond to it, if that's what it says to them, then it's not wrong in their perspective, which is probably the one that should matter the most to them. drevil: I have all the control I need when I'm making the art. if I want to leave it open for the viewer, that's a choice I made, using the control I have. also, lets not underrate the power of a pretty picture. You're an artist? Ok, well that is a choice you made. I just don't think it was the right one. Anyway, back to the news. Metro Pictures huh? That's a pretty big deal. Congrats to the artist this thread is about: Sam Falls. He deserves it. |
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Post by sail on May 6, 2013 15:06:34 GMT -8
you don't think I made the right choice? but you haven't even seen my work, how can you even begin to comment on my work?
see, that's ridiculous.
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Post by drevil on May 6, 2013 15:10:29 GMT -8
you don't think I made the right choice? but you haven't even seen my work, how can you even begin to comment on my work? see, that's ridiculous. I'm not commenting on your work. I'm commenting on your choice. |
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