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Post by ricosg11 on Feb 17, 2015 12:05:20 GMT -8
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Post by collector on Feb 18, 2015 4:16:20 GMT -8
imo, young artists are under too much scrutiny right now, and are given little to no leeway to make mistakes and grow their practice and careers at a reasonable pace. instead, they're expected to race up the ladder within a few years or they're tossed off. falls from the start was all about high output and experimentation. that was fine for collectors when he was relatively unknown and they were scooping up his work for cheap. but now that his prices have reached a decent level, they want him to tighten up and curate, to "protect his career," which really means their investments. That´s a sharp analysis. Thank you! Do you think the collectors will get what they want from Falls? Will he tighten up and curate? Do we see signs for that? |
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Post by outerborough on Feb 18, 2015 8:25:13 GMT -8
imo, young artists are under too much scrutiny right now, and are given little to no leeway to make mistakes and grow their practice and careers at a reasonable pace. instead, they're expected to race up the ladder within a few years or they're tossed off. falls from the start was all about high output and experimentation. that was fine for collectors when he was relatively unknown and they were scooping up his work for cheap. but now that his prices have reached a decent level, they want him to tighten up and curate, to "protect his career," which really means their investments. That´s a sharp analysis. Thank you! Do you think the collectors will get what they want from Falls? Will he tighten up and curate? Do we see signs for that? my money is on falls pretty much continuing to do what he's been doing. |
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Post by queequeg on Feb 18, 2015 11:22:53 GMT -8
There are quite a few very successful artists who are just not art market darlings for whatever reasons but continue to have well received shows for years. All of this recent artrank bulls##t is putting way to much emphasis on equating success with auction results.
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Post by outerborough on Feb 19, 2015 6:45:57 GMT -8
There are quite a few very successful artists who are just not art market darlings for whatever reasons but continue to have well received shows for years. All of this recent artrank bulls##t is putting way to much emphasis on equating success with auction results. totally agree with your overall point, although i'd say falls was an "art market darling," for a minute. and i think that is what is making certain collectors unhappy. they jumped on the train and it was chugging along for a while, but now it's not going the way they want it to go in terms of auction results. |
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Post by ricosg11 on Feb 19, 2015 9:36:20 GMT -8
There are quite a few very successful artists who are just not art market darlings for whatever reasons but continue to have well received shows for years. All of this recent artrank bulls##t is putting way to much emphasis on equating success with auction results. totally agree with your overall point, although i'd say falls was an "art market darling," for a minute. and i think that is what is making certain collectors unhappy. they jumped on the train and it was chugging along for a while, but now it's not going the way they want it to go in terms of auction results. tend to agree here. Hoping to snap up bargains as they arise. I love Sam's practice and output and am looking forward to his future work. |
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Post by drevil on Feb 19, 2015 12:02:45 GMT -8
totally agree with your overall point, although i'd say falls was an "art market darling," for a minute. and i think that is what is making certain collectors unhappy. they jumped on the train and it was chugging along for a while, but now it's not going the way they want it to go in terms of auction results. tend to agree here. Hoping to snap up bargains as they arise. I love Sam's practice and output and am looking forward to his future work. There was a great, large purple Val Verde that went super cheap last year at Phillips. That one really put the big torpedo in his near term auction market, IMO. |
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Post by ricosg11 on Feb 19, 2015 12:04:55 GMT -8
tend to agree here. Hoping to snap up bargains as they arise. I love Sam's practice and output and am looking forward to his future work. There was a great, large purple Val Verde that went super cheap last year at Phillips. That one really put the big torpedo in his near term auction market, IMO. fwiw it was missing a grommet |
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Post by drevil on Feb 19, 2015 13:10:14 GMT -8
There was a great, large purple Val Verde that went super cheap last year at Phillips. That one really put the big torpedo in his near term auction market, IMO. fwiw it was missing a grommet Made me lol |
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Post by collector on Feb 21, 2015 7:09:46 GMT -8
There are quite a few very successful artists who are just not art market darlings for whatever reasons but continue to have well received shows for years. All of this recent artrank bulls##t is putting way to much emphasis on equating success with auction results. totally agree with your overall point, although i'd say falls was an "art market darling," for a minute. and i think that is what is making certain collectors unhappy. they jumped on the train and it was chugging along for a while, but now it's not going the way they want it to go in terms of auction results. I think part of Fall´s "problem" is that a lot of his earlier works (e.g. the fades) don´t really look great in a domestic surrounding. They look impressive in a gallery, but at home they look like a piece of fabric on the wall. You can part from them easily without any seller´s remorse. I guess that´s why we see so many fabrics at auction. |
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Post by artladval on Mar 19, 2015 13:51:18 GMT -8
New work in Marfa: www.ballroommarfa.org/archive/event/sam-falls/#event-release Untitled (Life in California), 2014 1984 Ford Ranger, soil, succulents (Euphorbia Tirucalli, Portulacaria Afra 'variegata', Aeonium Arboreum, Agave 'Blue Glow', Senecio mandraliscae, Senecio radicans, Tradescantia, Kalanchoe pumila, Kalanchoe luciae, Aloe classenii, Echeveria 'topsy turvy') 66 x 63 x 191 inches |
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Post by ricosg11 on Mar 19, 2015 14:11:17 GMT -8
press release is a nice read
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Post by edwindair on Mar 19, 2015 21:23:05 GMT -8
not sure if this has been posted but Sam gave a great talk at Parsons earlier this year. he goes really in depth on his process and the meaning behind his works.
again apologies if it has been posted.
if anyone has any links to similar talks by contemporary artist pls let me know as i truly enjoy them.
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Post by smart on Mar 20, 2015 19:41:04 GMT -8
That was great, thanks for posting that
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Post by mc on Mar 26, 2015 13:06:36 GMT -8
Thanks for video, this was really interesting.
To all the haters, Sam is a great artist and has most definitely produced masterpieces in my opinion. It's a shame that his primary prices are so high due to speculative buying.. I almost purchased a rain / pigment work recently but didn't have the desire to spend so much for something from him. His primary prices I've seen recently are all pretty much on par with his auction results (some even higher).. Regardless of that I still enjoy his seeing his new works and learning more about him.
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Post by collector on Mar 30, 2015 4:46:43 GMT -8
Thanks for video, this was really interesting. To all the haters, Sam is a great artist and has most definitely produced masterpieces in my opinion. It's a shame that his primary prices are so high due to speculative buying.. I almost purchased a rain / pigment work recently but didn't have the desire to spend so much for something from him. His primary prices I've seen recently are all pretty much on par with his auction results (some even higher).. Regardless of that I still enjoy his seeing his new works and learning more about him. I share your view. I think Sam Falls is a great artist. His Topanga rain/rope paintings will stand the test of time. Great concept, some of them are classic beauties. Like the one recently at auction at Sotheby´s. He didn´t make too many of them. In comparison to the fades they are really rare. I am pretty sure we will see great things from him. |
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Post by wimbledongreen on Mar 30, 2015 13:48:53 GMT -8
Thanks for video, this was really interesting. It's a shame that his primary prices are so high due to speculative buying.. I almost purchased a rain / pigment work recently but didn't have the desire to spend so much for something from him. I think setting the primary prices is determined by Hannah Hoffman and Falls, and not speculative buying. That goes for any artist and not just Falls. The dealer and artist can choose to match secondary or not. I would say if you have an opportunity to buy a Falls rain/pigment work and like Falls for the long run then you should buy it. Twenty years from now it will seem like a bargain. Because he isn't at the top of the hot list at the moment, there's probably no better time in terms of selection and price. I forget the specific collector mentioned in the Adam Lindemann book on collecting, but that particular collector didn't mind paying the highest price at auction (at that point in time) for a Koons because he felt it was an excellent example and that Koons was going to be an important artist. I think for any artist, if you believe in them for the long term, and you have access to buy a work from a key series at primary, don't pass it up. If you wait until secondary prices are exceeding primary by a good amount, it will probably be too late and difficult to acquire works. But if you're looking for a built in "profit" when buying a Falls (or whomever) that's another issue. |
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Post by sleepboy on Oct 7, 2015 21:52:51 GMT -8
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Post by sleepboy on Nov 1, 2016 20:31:41 GMT -8
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Post by artladval on Nov 23, 2016 10:21:27 GMT -8
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