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Post by iamthetoe on Aug 18, 2014 8:43:34 GMT -8
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Post by sleepboy on Aug 21, 2014 17:51:31 GMT -8
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jacki
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Sam Falls
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Post by jacki on Sept 27, 2014 8:20:22 GMT -8
Stop him !!
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Post by sleepboy on Oct 7, 2014 20:28:59 GMT -8
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Post by lw on Nov 6, 2014 23:05:52 GMT -8
Has anyone seen the new print made for the RxArt auction on Paddle8? Edition of 50, $1500 Thoughts? Here's the link
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Post by fried on Nov 7, 2014 2:08:56 GMT -8
lovely print and his first which I didn't realise, also for a great cause. Over half the edition is sold so proving popular. If it was shipping from the UK I would love one but I don't fancy the import charges on top of the price tag.
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Post by mose on Nov 7, 2014 5:45:24 GMT -8
Looking at this using the original vs. print pricing ratio, and a real-estate like focus on size, I would say this is a pricey Falls purchase for what you are getting. 221 square inches of print at $1500 = $6.80 per square inch for an edition of 50. Originals, at auction and with premium, have ranged from $5.90/square inch for medium-sized rubbings to $5.10/square inch for very good fabric works of medium size(68"x54"). Hell, this one, at the high end of estimate, calculates to $2.77/square inch: phillips.com/detail/SAM-FALLS/NY010814/128?fromSearch=sam%20falls&searchPage=1I know this might be a weird way to look at it, but it's an interesting concept(to me) to think about. |
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Post by fried on Nov 7, 2014 7:58:52 GMT -8
I'm a bit puzzled by this release, its clearly not his first print as stated on paddle8 as there are two of his prints on exhibitiona. This one is a much better example of his work and a far superior print in terms of quality but the price tag is hefty.
Now it has vanished from paddle8.
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Post by queequeg on Nov 7, 2014 8:25:22 GMT -8
I'm a bit puzzled by this release, its clearly not his first print as stated on paddle8 as there are two of his prints on exhibitiona. This one is a much better example of his work and a far superior print in terms of quality but the price tag is hefty. I think they said it's his first foray into "print making" as in the process perhaps. So maybe they're discounting inkjet prints as real printmaking, and I'm not a strict purist but kind of have to agree with that. This is a nice looking print but it's too expensive for me. But I'm still miffed that Printed Matter didn't hook me up with an original which I think were less than or about the same $1500 price. So at this point I ain't buying a print for the same price. |
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Post by sleepboy on Nov 24, 2014 22:43:17 GMT -8
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Post by wimbledongreen on Dec 27, 2014 16:13:46 GMT -8
The work is starting to feel repetitive/decorative at this point. Maybe it's the floral leaf imagery that is making me think that way. They look great, but I don't feel I need to see any more dye/faded process pieces from Falls anymore. |
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Post by waltercrunk on Dec 27, 2014 18:49:17 GMT -8
I've heard that Sam has a new work to be seen shortly after the new year involving large helium balloons suspending neon sculptures in the air, and gently lying them to the ground as the balloon deflates over time.
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Post by collector on Dec 28, 2014 8:28:03 GMT -8
I've heard that Sam has a new work to be seen shortly after the new year involving large helium balloons suspending neon sculptures in the air, and gently lying them to the ground as the balloon deflates over time. Do you know where he will show them? |
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Post by collector on Feb 11, 2015 9:07:17 GMT -8
I'd argue that saying Sam is 'not doing well' in auctions is using a quite modern interpretation of how young artists + auctions is supposed to go. There was a time that reclaiming primary, and even surpassing it a bit, would be considered quite successful for someone of his age. Looking at Phillips only, Topanga pieces were $6k-discount from Dipple over at American Contemporary in May of 2012. In May, 2014, one sells for $17,500. Joshua Tree works were $5k in May of 2002 from American Contemporary, one sold for $18,750 in March, 2014. Hell, short Val Verde works were $2000 around February 2012, and sold for around $26k in February, 2014. Stepping back to think about it, putting aside an otherwise crazy market that reminds one of circa 2000 internet stocks, and it can be argued that Falls is doing just fine. We'd better wait for some rope paintings or canvas to be auctioned before judging seriously. It might attract more people. It's true however that production is big and diversified...wich doesn't help! What do you think about the result for the rope painting? It was auctioned today. It is such an amazing work, a true museum piece. But I think it sold for around the gallery price. The art market is a mystery to me. |
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Post by ricosg11 on Feb 11, 2015 9:20:31 GMT -8
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Post by queequeg on Feb 11, 2015 10:33:45 GMT -8
It also could be a good time for Americans to buy works priced in GBP (or Euros). I'm not a huge fan of Sam's work but I like that one. The Parker Ito was also a good deal, I'd buy one of those for about $7.5k, I actually was very tempted to put in a bid on the Chris Johanson last week, not his best but so cheap. |
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Post by drevil on Feb 11, 2015 14:33:00 GMT -8
We'd better wait for some rope paintings or canvas to be auctioned before judging seriously. It might attract more people. It's true however that production is big and diversified...wich doesn't help! What do you think about the result for the rope painting? It was auctioned today. It is such an amazing work, a true museum piece. But I think it sold for around the gallery price. The art market is a mystery to me. I reckon the seller likely lost money on this one. |
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Post by collector on Feb 12, 2015 6:10:38 GMT -8
It was a steal! What a wonderful work. Lucky buyer.
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Post by collector on Feb 16, 2015 3:14:51 GMT -8
I was wondering why Sam Falls does not have a gallery in New York. Does anyone know why? |
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Post by mose on Feb 16, 2015 5:59:33 GMT -8
Falls' decisions in that regard, in addition to what many have deemed to be overproduction and a distinct lack of quality control, and, as mentioned above, repetition and a descent into decorative, have left many collectors I know to just not take him seriously.
It was only May of 2013 that it was announced with much fanfare that he was being represented by Metro Pictures. After some works in a group show, he left without ever having a solo.
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Post by collector on Feb 16, 2015 7:00:52 GMT -8
Falls' decisions in that regard, in addition to what many have deemed to be overproduction and a distinct lack of quality control, and, as mentioned above, repetition and a descent into decorative, have left many collectors I know to just not take him seriously. It was only May of 2013 that it was announced with much fanfare that he was being represented by Metro Pictures. After some works in a group show, he left without ever having a solo. That´s a pretty harsh judgement. I think you are right, he produced too much and not everything is great. But he has strong works like the rope paintings and he is for sure an artist that can make a great museum show. I heard that he left Metro. But don´t you think he will be be represented by another major New York gallery in the future? |
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Post by drevil on Feb 16, 2015 8:00:43 GMT -8
Falls' decisions in that regard, in addition to what many have deemed to be overproduction and a distinct lack of quality control, and, as mentioned above, repetition and a descent into decorative, have left many collectors I know to just not take him seriously. I think that many of the same things could be said about Murillo. The main difference I see is that he is represented by Zwirner in NYC. Interesting to compare the outcomes for each to date: auction wise, collector base, and museum wise. |
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Post by mose on Feb 16, 2015 10:19:26 GMT -8
Falls' decisions in that regard, in addition to what many have deemed to be overproduction and a distinct lack of quality control, and, as mentioned above, repetition and a descent into decorative, have left many collectors I know to just not take him seriously. It was only May of 2013 that it was announced with much fanfare that he was being represented by Metro Pictures. After some works in a group show, he left without ever having a solo. That´s a pretty harsh judgement. I think you are right, he produced too much and not everything is great. But he has strong works like the rope paintings and he is for sure an artist that can make a great museum show. I heard that he left Metro. But don´t you think he will be be represented by another major New York gallery in the future? I agree, it's harsh. But in a world awash with young, heavily-promoted artists, it doesn't take too much of a misstep for people to write you off, right or wrong. I personally am still very much a Falls fan and enjoy my Val Verde fade. That being said, I don't feel as positive about the recent work. |
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Post by collector on Feb 17, 2015 6:15:06 GMT -8
Falls' decisions in that regard, in addition to what many have deemed to be overproduction and a distinct lack of quality control, and, as mentioned above, repetition and a descent into decorative, have left many collectors I know to just not take him seriously. I think that many of the same things could be said about Murillo. The main difference I see is that he is represented by Zwirner in NYC. Interesting to compare the outcomes for each to date: auction wise, collector base, and museum wise. Interesting point of view. Thank you for sharing. I really appreciate this exchange of opinions here. I think the big difference between Falls and Murillo is that Falls has never been the object of speculation. You could never earn big money by selling his work. I guess he will reduce production, the not so interesting works will vanish from the secondary market. My hope is, he will do some great shows and sign with a good gallery in New York. Then he can have a long and lasting career. I think some of his works, like the rain/rope paintings or the Valle-Verde-series are masterpieces. And I really like his conceptual let-the-nature-do-the-work-approach. We´ll see. |
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Post by outerborough on Feb 17, 2015 10:16:29 GMT -8
imo, young artists are under too much scrutiny right now, and are given little to no leeway to make mistakes and grow their practice and careers at a reasonable pace. instead, they're expected to race up the ladder within a few years or they're tossed off.
falls from the start was all about high output and experimentation. that was fine for collectors when he was relatively unknown and they were scooping up his work for cheap. but now that his prices have reached a decent level, they want him to tighten up and curate, to "protect his career," which really means their investments.
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