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Post by ksn on Apr 19, 2012 16:11:56 GMT -8
Thanks jpakula. I contacted Marty but I didn't know it was so expensive:( That seems to be my experience with everything
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Post by ksn on Apr 18, 2012 22:56:38 GMT -8
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Post by ksn on Apr 18, 2012 16:13:52 GMT -8
Still new here, so I don't really know you, but congrats on the engagement
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Post by ksn on Apr 18, 2012 12:57:42 GMT -8
I'm new to the board & just familiarizing myself with everything, I've a James Jean work (oil on linen w/ rope 36 x 20") that can be seen here: www.jamesjean.com/work/2001/The/Kray/Twins/1.... I had it appraised for 11k have been told that the most I could get for it in this market is 6-7,000. What do you think? www.jamesjean.com/work/2001/The+Kray+Twins/1Fixed link. I couldn't tell you sorry, but it's awesome that you've got one of his old pieces ------------ Might as well update this too. New picture posted
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Post by ksn on Apr 18, 2012 12:34:40 GMT -8
Awesome, thanks 1. fnord 2. Greenhorn1 3. djsp 4. shoppiegirl 5. benvan 6. haven 7. Droow2 8. dohdohdude 9. dodd 10. ksn
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Post by ksn on Apr 16, 2012 2:03:02 GMT -8
Came across this while browsing, rs.rocketsociety.com/jjean/Looks like an old copy (or test version?) of his website. Good reference for prices on some of his older stuff, I guess.
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Post by ksn on Apr 16, 2012 1:19:02 GMT -8
I'll stop by next week Wish I discovered it sooner, but I'm looking forward to it.
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Post by ksn on Apr 16, 2012 0:56:39 GMT -8
Also, I wanted to add that I appreciate all the thoughtful responses. This is the internet after all and I always feel the need to brace myself for condescending remarks, especially when asking questions
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Post by ksn on Apr 16, 2012 0:53:52 GMT -8
As a durable luxury consumable, I can agree with the statement that one can "invest" in art in the getting bang for the buck sense that you're indicating a willingness to spend more in return for a higher quality item. In that sense it's like saying you're "investing" in a BMW M3, a Saville Row suit, designer appliances and furniture, etc., all of which you'd expect to enjoy more, and over a longer period of time, than something of lesser quality, but none of which you'd necessarily expect to retain or increase in value over the same period. I guess that was how I was trying to portray why I am making these purchases. I have no intention of selling or trading my purchases unless absolutely necessary. With a car, I know what I can expect out of it in terms of enjoyment, and when it comes time to sell it, there's no real difference between the best and the worst case scenario. Cars are different though, if I'm purchasing a new car, I am likely to sell off the old. I guess my question is purely hypothetical. If I buy a Josh Keyes original for 40k, and he blows up even bigger than he is now and its worth 400k, I likely wouldn't sell it, but I'd be proud to be the owner of an original (because I wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise), and it would be a great piece to pass on to future generations. But what would be worst case scenario? He's not going to paint 150 more copies of the exact the same thing. The hype may move on to another style of art, but that piece I purchased is not going to look any worse. The technology behind its creation (paint and canvas) is not going to become outdated. If any of my own art turns out to retain its value over time or even become much more valuable in terms of what it might sell for, I think of it as a nice family heirloom or treasure I can pass on to someone who would appreciate such a gift. If I spend what for me is a lot of money on art, I think about the durability of its value in that regard only. If that's "investment" thinking, okay, but I'm not relying on it to retain value or for any return for any personal economic reason, and I'm sure my heirs probably would've preferred the cash, well invested over the balance of my life, to do with what they will rather than a truckload of art of probably mixed value that's a reflection of my tastes not necessarily theirs. I'll be lucky if my whole collection doesn't end up at the Salvation Army or out by the dumpster with the rest of my stuff. Accordingly, I don't even put much weight on the value of my art in that regard, either. I'm buying art for my pleasure; the pleasure of my heirs is only incidental. If I knew my possessions would end up in a dumpster or donated to the Salvation Army after I'm gone, making these purchases would be much harder for me. Knowing that the demand is going to dwindle down to nothing, I'd most definitely still buy it, but I'd wait to purchase at a price that isn't inflated due to demand and use that extra money elsewhere. I don't have unlimited funds, my enjoyment of these purchases purely as art is always going to be there, but like most people I want to spend my money wisely. $600 for art I fall in love with might not be a whole lot, but it is for a piece of paper that came out of a printer. If the artist sold it for $600, than I've got nothing to say, I'd make the purchase with little hesitation, but the particular one I'm looking at probably sold for $2-300. If I'm going to to pay 3 times its original value, I'd feel more confident in my purchase knowing that demand isn't likely to completely disappear. Can we not look back in time and find worst case scenarios for prints or is it still too early? Buying prints is a way to enjoy high quality replicas (they are high tech photocopies) of work of an artist you really admire at a far more affordable pricepoint than an original work by the artist (or if you missed out on an original piece you really love). The whole point of prints is to enjoy the work, so I wonder why you are buying them but not framing them and putting them up? Buyers' remorse? Investment? Prints are cheaper than originals for sure, but it's not always affordable. So many pieces are printed on limited runs creating a demand similar to the original art but at a lower pricepoint. This forces late adopters to purchase "copies" for up to thousands of dollars. There are a few reasons for me, though, the biggest being that I bought several JJ prints before I got into this more seriously, and now that I have, I would like to diversify. I've seen photos where folks stack 10-15 pieces of art on the same wall, and no disrespect to them (they can do what they want with their purchases), but i feel like it's way too distracting. I'd like to be much more selective and put maybe one or two pieces per room. That said, I love the pieces that I purchased and the ones I don't have room for, I'd like to keep and store them because I always have the option of putting them up (rather than seeking them out in the future and possibly paying an inflated price). You shouldn't just look exclusively at prints believing that it's the only way to get quality art at a (relatively) reasonable pricepoint. There's a lot of original artwork that is inexpensive and amazing. The artists may not always have the cachet of those whose prints you may be buying (at least today-- I wouldn't buy on that assumption because they may be out of favor and worthless tomorrow), but to me there's something special about owning an original work, and the luminosity and texture of paint is difficult to replicate in a copy. And it doesn't matter where you live-- nearly my entire collection I purchased online, from galleries all over the world. I've actually made 2 original purchases thus far. The first being from an artist with a large following and the second from one with very little internet following (as far as I can tell). The second piece was much larger and a bit cheaper. For both his and my sake, I hope he makes it big, but not because I'm thinking about money, but like you said because it validates that my own judgments are shared by a broader audience and that I would likely have a piece of historical importance.
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Post by ksn on Apr 14, 2012 10:55:43 GMT -8
When dealing with artists or galleries works is always negotiable. Art is an environment where the product is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it, a completely unconrolled commodity. So, whenever possible I try to buy direct from the artist and have had great success there. (Reinier Gamboa, Peeta, Ahol Sniffs Glue have all been great to work with) When dealing with a gallery I spend time getting to know the gallery, I have had good experiences and bad experiences. As stated previously 10% off is a give in, 20% off is a good price any lower than that is a gift. On 1000 purchase from a gallery you should expect that close to 500 of it goes to the gallery. I guess I've already messed this up. Does this vary base on the artist's demand/reputation? I felt like there was a bit of pressure to just buy it before someone else picked it up. If I'm asking for 10-20% off, what's to stop the artist from turning around and selling it to someone else willing pay full price while I'm spending time trying to negotiate? I could just be overestimating the demand, though.
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Post by ksn on Apr 14, 2012 2:44:59 GMT -8
Indeed JK FOrum will show Jeep Brand which is bigger than Josh Keyes, branding wise. YOu can find Josh Keyes works and discussion also within this forum, under New COntemporary Arts. Welcome btw! Thanks, I started lurking at collectors-society.com's boards a few weeks ago even though I'm not really into comics but that recently led me to here and EB, which I find much more fascinating. It seems like there's a lot more people at EB collecting illustration prints than here, that's just my first impression from the past week.
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Post by ksn on Apr 14, 2012 2:40:03 GMT -8
First welcome to the board. Thank you. It makes things a lot easier to get some of these questions out of the way rather than struggle through it for a few weeks/months. I am less likely to make mistakes and more confident in my purchases. A lot of the searching I do don't cover these topics or seem to apply to too broad a range of things to answer my questions. Have you heard of google? Try searching "josh keyes forum" and it'll be the first result. Thanks, I guess. A little less obvious when I don't know all the acronyms. Even ones like ISO wasn't so obvious at first. Most subsets of the internet just us WTB or LF. AP = "Archival Print"? APV = "AP version"? If I purchase an original artwork that the artist has only partially previewed on his social networks (fb, twitter), is it common courtesy to wait until he's posted the entire piece before I show my acquisition?
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Post by ksn on Apr 12, 2012 20:22:58 GMT -8
Hi, I'm new here and to this market as well and I have a lot of questions. Just gonna pump them out here in the hopes that someone will help me out. I see many people online with large collections, who I assume, don't have room to display it all (or own large mansions). Is that excess just being stored in a closet? I own a few limited edition giclee prints, with the most expensive being maybe $200. As a newcomer, I *kind of* feel like I just bought an exorbitantly priced photocopy. Do people often frame these prints, because on that same note, I feel like I'd be framing a photocopy. I'm sure that I am mistaken but I would love to hear someone's rationale. I'm interested in purchasing one of Josh Keyes' for around $600, but hesitant. Do these prints hold their value? I'm not trying to profit, but I would feel a lot better knowing that as an investment, it will somewhat hold its price. Just browsing around these sites is fascinating but also tempts me to buy everything I see (which I definitely can't afford). I've only very recently acquired my first original artwork, but will be looking for maybe one or two more in the next year or so. If I see something I am interested in, how do I know if I'm paying a fair price? Do I compare other pieces by the same artists of the same size and medium? In terms of value, is purchasing artwork from an artist with a large following a fairly safe investment? I wouldn't mind putting down several thousand on something I really liked and I wouldn't be bothered if it depreciated, say, 20% 5 years later, but I would hate it if in 20 years I really need the money but my paintings are worthless because everybody's moved on. My gut tells me large fluctuations in price only go up, but then again, I really don't have much experience with this. How does the frame or lack of account into a sale when discussing pricing? Is it usually negligible when talking about pieces that range into the thousands? When buying original artwork straight from the artist or gallery (in person or online), are prices negotiable? If there's no certificate of authenticity, what are the most important things for me to hold on to? The invoice? There are a few giclee prints that I likely won't put up. Any advice on how best to store them? Right now they're just in the original packaging they were shipped in (a couple in a large envelope and one rolled up in a shipping tube). How do I flatten prints that came shipped in a tube? Sit it on a flat surface for a few days with a weight on all corners? Roll it the opposite way (sounds like a baaaad idea)? Do framers have machines or some technique to flatten prints? Saw someone mention JK forums but search led to no results other than something to do with Jeeps. Trying to figure out what that was too. Very much appreciate any help
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Post by ksn on Apr 12, 2012 17:39:32 GMT -8
Hihi. Just signed up yesterday and came across this just now. I was the buyer when you re-listed Glad I could add it to my collection.
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Post by ksn on Apr 12, 2012 16:27:58 GMT -8
Just out of curiousity, what is her heritage/nationality? Really like her work.
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