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Post by iron on Mar 28, 2014 13:09:12 GMT -8
Only part of the answer and it's unfair to class everybody in that bracket. True that. It wasn't meant to. I am just pointing out that the main reason LS (and the others mentioned in the article) is being on most peoples lips is the price surge gained over very short period of time. I do like the new abstraction and some of the LS's work for that matter. However, looking at the emerging or the more established artists across the globe I don't find the art so exceptional or so unique to be rated (priced) so high. On the other hand, knowing who is behind and how is he connected to the infuential people in the artworld, I totally understand. Plus I'm not sure she wanted answers other than to plug her own art in a roundabout and not very well disguised fashion. I would agree. |
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Post by sam.register on Mar 28, 2014 19:13:07 GMT -8
I just have to say as an artist myself, I don't see what the hype is about lucien's work thus far. Yes, hes young, yes hes dating a big wig collector's daughter, yes hes exhibiting now worldwide fetching six digits easily each piece....maybe id have to see a show in person to change my decision, impression. But I just dont see the fascination or exorbitant talent shooting paint from a fire extinguisher or framing gym mats. Now his sculptures are promising with more thought and content. I guess ill take german expressionists any day over our contemporary minimalist current movement. Six figures , really? And I was happy making a couple hundred at recent art fair selling my mixed media. If this lucien art is what top collectors ate buying and is all the rave, I might as well throw in my towel now.... my female nudes and complex mixed media pieces will never make it I guess. Ho hum While her own work looks like that done by a 12 year old scrap booker, would anyone argue that Lucien's rain paintings couldn't be done by a 5 year old? Lucien can paint and has class, but his rain paintings, mops, gym mats and "conceptual" works are really just the emperor's new clothes. No one would take him seriously outside of NY or London. Can you imagine anyone taking him seriously if he didn't have a degree? |
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Post by queequeg on Mar 29, 2014 13:47:23 GMT -8
I think it is too easy to jump on the "my kid could do that bandwagon". The new abstraction has been a long time coming in my view. I've been waiting a good many years to see if a new group of emerging artists were brave enough to go abstract when it seemed to have fallen so far down the hierarchy of trends in painting over the last 10 years. I really don't agree that abstraction had ever fallen in stature over the past 10 years so I don't see this as brave. In fact I see it as becoming so formulaic that it's becoming the opposite. But to be fair I can see why people see potential in Lucien Smith (although I think the 'rain' paintings are B.S., like most of his work so far) but it's easy to create folklore about this young 'touched' artist creating these paintings in the woods and captivate people. And to be honest I like the overall aesthetic of Ostrowski who I earlier poked fun at. But it's obvious his market is out of touch with reality. This whole scene is just becoming a playground for rich investors. Canvases (especially large ones) have always been in vogue and most of the work here is easy to commodify. It's easy for speculators to manipulate this kind of stuff. Saw an article last week about how internet/electronic art is so absent from Whitney Biennial. I tend to agree that is where some artists are really pushing the boundaries right now. But that work isn't as easy to commodify. Instead we get this 90s grunge attitude endless rehashes of pollock meets duchamp, throwing more and more low brow ridiculous shit out there to see just what kind of crap collectors and curators will accept as art. ... it surprises me this is so coveted. |
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Post by astrogirl on Mar 31, 2014 19:37:26 GMT -8
Simchowitz talks a lot about being the first to buy the work of many of the young artists now fetching huge prices — mediocrities like Parker Ito, Lucien Smith, Artie Vierkant, Oscar Murillo, and Mark Flood. On March 4, his Facebook status update began, "I LOVE LUCIEN. I LOVE OSCAR. I LOVE PARKER. AND SO DOES THE MARKET." ~Jerry Saltz www.vulture.com/2014/03/saltz-on-the-great-and-powerful-simchowitz.html |
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Post by lisabrans on Apr 22, 2014 22:09:49 GMT -8
Only part of the answer and it's unfair to class everybody in that bracket. Lol want even inadvertently trying to point at my art. Trust me, id post the link right up, if I was. Just pointing out that im assign artist , (for whatever it's Worth received a ba in fine art in the 90s ) point being I wasnt just some random person criticizing that didn't practice, live, and live as an artist myself....mainly too thyat it just disgusted me that I think mainly bcz it didn't look like six figure work  but too each his own. I still thinks it helps he is or was dating the daughter of an upper echelon art collector! |
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Post by lisabrans on Apr 22, 2014 22:12:47 GMT -8
I won't say I'm a Lucian Smith fan but it's too easy to look the surface of a lot of modern and contemporary art and dismiss it with a sort of "my kid could do that" type of argument. Or in this case "my fire extinguisher" could do that. A monkey could paint a Twombly. Warhol couldn't even paint (sarcasm). Normal Rockwell could probably draw circles around Lucien Smith but I think that quality isn't as important with abstract or conceptual art. I started a thread on artist Michael Manning and his art gets dismissed by some because it is primarily iPad paintings that look simple aesthetically and gets a "my kid could do that....on an iPad" type argument. But to address what seems your main concern I do agree there are many artists who don't get adopted by the highbrow art system and many very talented artists who will go unseen and not make much money. A big part of the highbrow art system is being connected with the right collector, dealer, or artist at the right time. That's not consolation for other artists but hopefully you and they will continue to create regardless. And as far as queequeg's comment goes: who's Silverchair? at the opposite end of the "my kid could paint that" is doing mental gymnastics to justify work that is essentially pretty thin. i don't think it's an accident that the market makers have zeroed in on this frothy abstraction 2.0 stuff -- it can get away with murder as there's no real way to attack it without sounding like a big fat philistine. personally think it's safer to play the "extremely sceptical until proven otherwise" card right now, even if that means missing out on getting in early on some good work Agree agree...u said it much better. |
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Post by lisadeneka on Apr 23, 2014 21:04:26 GMT -8
I just have to say as an artist myself, I don't see what the hype is about lucien's work thus far. Yes, hes young, yes hes dating a big wig collector's daughter, yes hes exhibiting now worldwide fetching six digits easily each piece....maybe id have to see a show in person to change my decision, impression. But I just dont see the fascination or exorbitant talent shooting paint from a fire extinguisher or framing gym mats. Now his sculptures are promising with more thought and content. I guess ill take german expressionists any day over our contemporary minimalist current movement. Six figures , really? And I was happy making a couple hundred at recent art fair selling my mixed media. If this lucien art is what top collectors ate buying and is all the rave, I might as well throw in my towel now.... my female nudes and complex mixed media pieces will never make it I guess. Ho hum From looking at your blog I think you're right. Too bad vinnyvincent u took my comment on my lack of appreciation for luciens work personal feeling the need to insult me in response. Just shows the pinnacle of your intelligence and maturity. Have a good day buddy |
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Post by lisadeneka on Apr 23, 2014 21:24:46 GMT -8
I just have to say as an artist myself, I don't see what the hype is about lucien's work thus far. Yes, hes young, yes hes dating a big wig collector's daughter, yes hes exhibiting now worldwide fetching six digits easily each piece....maybe id have to see a show in person to change my decision, impression. But I just dont see the fascination or exorbitant talent shooting paint from a fire extinguisher or framing gym mats. Now his sculptures are promising with more thought and content. I guess ill take german expressionists any day over our contemporary minimalist current movement. Six figures , really? And I was happy making a couple hundred at recent art fair selling my mixed media. If this lucien art is what top collectors ate buying and is all the rave, I might as well throw in my towel now.... my female nudes and complex mixed media pieces will never make it I guess. Ho hum While her own work looks like that done by a 12 year old scrap booker ,**** Oh, im crushed U attack my art? Boo hoo, im hurt' noone invited u To research my blog or website anyway . Petty insult would anyone argue that Lucien's rain paintings couldn't be done by a 5 year old? Lucien can paint and has class, but his rain paintings, mops, gym mats and "conceptual" works are really just the emperor's new clothes. No one would take him seriously outside of NY or London. Can you imagine anyone taking him seriously if he didn't have a degree? |
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Post by lisadeneka on Apr 23, 2014 21:36:35 GMT -8
Plus I'm not sure she wanted answers other than to plugr own art in a roundabout and not very well disguised fasreturn hipersonally Right because i so mentioned my links , or existence of any website Period. . yup, u intentionsd me out . I just wanted haters to seek out my passion and insult it in retaliation for not digging gym mats in a frame? thanks for taking time to creatively figure out my true intent |
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Post by lisadeneka on Apr 23, 2014 21:45:40 GMT -8
I just have to say as an artist myself, I don't see what the hype is about lucien's work thus far. Yes, hes young, yes hes dating a big wig collector's daughter, yes hes exhibiting now worldwide fetching six digits easily each piece....maybe id have to see a show in person to change my decision, impression. But I just dont see the fascination or exorbitant talent shooting paint from a fire extinguisher or framing gym mats. Now his sculptures are promising with more thought and content. I guess ill take german expressionists any day over our contemporary minimalist current movement. Six figures , really? And I was happy making a couple hundred at recent art fair selling my mixed media. If this lucien art is what top collectors ate buying and is all the rave, I might as well throw in my towel now.... my female nudes and complex mixed media pieces will never make it I guess. Ho hum You can find some answers here: |
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Post by lisadeneka on Apr 23, 2014 21:51:28 GMT -8
Thanks iron...that's really what I wanted to generate with my posting my opinion or lack therof if ls art...was dune induce, other opinions on the current art market!! Thanks for the insightful link
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Post by sam.register on Apr 26, 2014 3:53:37 GMT -8
While her own work looks like that done by a 12 year old scrap booker ,**** Oh, im crushed U attack my art? Boo hoo, im hurt' noone invited u To research my blog or website anyway . Petty insult would anyone argue that Lucien's rain paintings couldn't be done by a 5 year old? Lucien can paint and has class, but his rain paintings, mops, gym mats and "conceptual" works are really just the emperor's new clothes. No one would take him seriously outside of NY or London. Can you imagine anyone taking him seriously if he didn't have a degree? By posting your name and picture next to your critique and mentioning you're an artist, you're pretty much asking people to look you up. But maybe that's not who this poster really is and we've been trolled. I mean, why would some random person from Tampa log into an art discussion board to talk about the mysteries of the NY art scene? If you assumed someone else's identity, that's not nice. |
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Post by queequeg on Apr 26, 2014 6:32:47 GMT -8
why would some random person from Tampa log into an art discussion board to talk about the mysteries of the NY art scene? I don't know but maybe outside perspective is exactly what this scene needs? |
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Post by svenman on Apr 26, 2014 8:03:53 GMT -8
Can anyone help clear up a little confusion i have over some of lucien's prints that exhibition a published?
Cats and Dogs seems to be mentioned frequently and i've seen a few come up for sale.
i have the following:
Goodbye
20x24 canvas
Edition of 50
A Simple Twist of Fate
20x24 canvas
Edition of 50
Both are signed and numbered on the rear and hang in landscape format.
i've never seen or heard about these elsewhere and can't find any info on the exhibition a website... anyone else have them or know anything about them?
thanks.
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Post by WillNyc on Apr 28, 2014 6:10:15 GMT -8
Can anyone help clear up a little confusion i have over some of lucien's prints that exhibition a published? Cats and Dogs seems to be mentioned frequently and i've seen a few come up for sale. i have the following: Goodbye 20x24 canvas Edition of 50 A Simple Twist of Fate 20x24 canvas Edition of 50 Both are signed and numbered on the rear and hang in landscape format. i've never seen or heard about these elsewhere and can't find any info on the exhibition a website... anyone else have them or know anything about them? thanks. Image? |
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Post by sam.register on Apr 28, 2014 14:01:11 GMT -8
why would some random person from Tampa log into an art discussion board to talk about the mysteries of the NY art scene? I don't know but maybe outside perspective is exactly what this scene needs? Totes |
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Post by lisadeneka on May 5, 2014 15:43:59 GMT -8
By posting your name and picture next to your critique and mentioning you're an artist, you're pretty much asking people to look you up. But maybe that's not who this poster really is and we've been trolled. I mean, why would some random person from Tampa log into an art discussion board to talk about the mysteries of the NY art scene? If you assumed someone else's identity, that's not nice. |
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Post by wimbledongreen on May 16, 2014 17:53:48 GMT -8
I was surprised but visually this was a nice piece in person. Bright blues, more vivid and glossier than in this photo. Had a Claes Oldenburg pop art feel. Reminded me too of Schnabel's plate paintings.  |
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Post by mose on May 16, 2014 18:30:56 GMT -8
Not really a huge Smith fan, but absolutely love the images I've seen so far from Skarstedt(and surprised I love them).
Can't wait to catch it in person.
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Post by fried on May 22, 2014 1:32:25 GMT -8
the new camo paintings at Skarstedt have a little of the Lee Krasners about them I thought. I am a big fan of Lee Krasner
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Post by sleepboy on May 22, 2014 22:11:29 GMT -8
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Post by ricosg11 on May 23, 2014 7:51:14 GMT -8
they should get betta floors wit all dat $$$
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Post by queequeg on May 23, 2014 8:43:20 GMT -8
I'll wait to see these when they go on exhibition at Phillips in the fall.
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Post by drevil on May 23, 2014 9:02:16 GMT -8
No no no. These will be placed in the distinguished collections of only the very most stable collectors who will donate them to distinguished museums with no fanfare whatsoever...
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Post by queequeg on Jun 8, 2014 19:28:36 GMT -8
Brutal
‘Lucien Smith: Tigris’ at Skarstedt
BY ANDREW RUSSETH 6/04 7:45AM
The 25-year-old Lucien Smith has made his name with one of the most painfully banal series of artworks in recent memory, his “Rain Paintings,” which he produces by peppering raw canvas with paint from a fire extinguisher. Visually D.O.A., they blithely and lazily riff on countless precedents, from Yves Klein’s fire and Warhol’s urine paintings to Dan Colen’s facile confetti canvases, which end up looking like the work of an Old Master in comparison. Mr. Smith has sprayed out hundreds of these things, and they are favorites of a certain type of collector.
Mr. Smith’s new “Tigris” paintings, the subject of his first solo show with Skarstedt, are markedly better than his “Rain” works, but that isn’t saying much. Given his penchant for brainless, punkish gestures, it’s interesting to see him instead rush head-on into academicism. On large canvases (most are about 8 by 6 feet), he has carefully poured paint in a variety of hues to build enlarged camouflage patterns that a news release explains come from 1960s South Vietnamese uniforms and, of course, allude to Hokusai, Morris Louis and Warhol.
The “Tigris” works, which sport sophomoric titles (e.g. They just want to steal you and tear us both apart again), are exemplary of a particular strain of new art that is enamored of the past, filled to the brim with a grab bag of references that add up to very little and have no discernible purchase on the present moment. It’s possible that this mixture of Color Field painting, Pop and (vague) politics would have looked vital 50 years ago, but now it just looks bafflingly out of step. (Some might say cynical.)
All of that said, Mr. Smith’s are pleasant-enough pictures. The color palettes aren’t bad, and the craftsmanship is solid. He has worked subtle undulations into many of the canvases, which gives them some verve, even if they don’t ever achieve the flashy, Op-y quality you sense he was after. If you happened upon them in a little gallery, you’d think they were a bit of harmless fun and that the artist might eventually get up to something really interesting. And he might.
But hanging in Skarstedt’s tony townhouse, where only two months ago there was a superb show of Martin Kippenberger’s masterful “Raft of the Medusa” series, they just look like the latest sad byproducts of an art market run amuck, pushing artists into prime time before they’re ready. When you think of them that way, you’re not sure whom to feel most embarrassed for.
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but too each his own. I still thinks it helps he is or was dating the daughter of an upper echelon art collector!
