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Post by saL on Jul 3, 2013 5:34:03 GMT -8
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Post by sam.register on Jul 3, 2013 12:00:08 GMT -8
"readymades" = trash. he's not even shooting the objects? |
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Post by mose on Jul 3, 2013 16:18:14 GMT -8
would't call myself a Lucien Smith fan, but when I saw this work, I instantly thought of Lucio Fontana and things like the attitude, and art brat nature, of people like the Arte Povera group. I could see an argument that this works addresses the underlying concepts of that 'group'. A return to simple objects and messages The body and behavior are art The everyday becomes meaningful Traces of nature and industry appear Dynamism and energy are embodied in the work Nature can be documented in its physical and chemical transformation Explore the notion of space and language Complex and symbolic signs lose meaning Ground Zero, no culture, no art system, Art = Life and with regard to Fontana, although his slashed canvas works are by far more known, he has a large group of punctured canvas works and ceramics.       finally, these works do continue something I mentioned on like page 5 of this thread. From 'to remember'(that student show he did), 'to rain'(rain paintings), 'to throw'(pie paintings), 'to sweep', to these current 'to shoot', there is a lot of 'action' and 'verb' to his works. Interesting also, in that they all predicated on lies. The memory paintings were false, imagined nostalgia, the rain paintings involve no rain, the pie paintings are intricate(or not so much) recreations of pie tosses that never occurred and of pies that never existed, the broom show and movie are about an NYC that was not his, and these works are claiming the detritus resulting from someone else's gun violence(good old Kentucky boys) as his own. Quite unlike my comparison to 1960's Serra, who performed his verbs in the creation of his works, Smith is doing something quite different. Is he appropriating the concept of 'artist', using the definition 'to take or make use of without authority or right'? Is his 'art' actually performance, involving acquiring acceptance for pseudo-artistic product and to see how long, and how far, he can push it? Is he Splenda, "made from sugar(art) so it tastes like sugar(art)", while actually being just calorically-empty, market chemistry? Will he too be downgraded from 'safe' to 'caution'? Is Smith the modern, internet/google/wikipedia aided art tourist, who has never been there but talks/walks/presents like a local? |
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Post by sleepboy on Jul 11, 2013 19:12:08 GMT -8
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Post by drevil on Jul 12, 2013 16:10:57 GMT -8
Use of found object type art to make an unclear comment on a contemporary US societal issue. Ho hum.
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Post by artladval on Jul 12, 2013 16:20:03 GMT -8
Use of found object type art to make an unclear comment on a contemporary US societal issue. Ho hum. You can criticize the quality of the work all you want, but art isn't supposed to tell you what to think or tell you what the artist thinks. It's not journalism or a political comic strip. |
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Post by drevil on Jul 12, 2013 16:27:52 GMT -8
I probably should have stated "open comment" rather than "unclear." I will give you that. No problem.
But I still find it ho hum. Then again I was born and raised in the midwest (not far from KC actually) so my vantage point is probably different than someone from a coast (left or right).
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Post by rizza79 on Jul 12, 2013 19:59:34 GMT -8
What is art supposed to do? Obviously the intention of the artist is to express something, in this case it's political to a degree. I'd love for someone more knowledgable to clue me in to what I'm missing cause I think this show sucks pretty bad
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Post by drevil on Jul 12, 2013 20:47:01 GMT -8
Here is what I found on the salon94 website. Does not really say much though, despite being a decent length. Sort of a conceptually empty passage, much like the work of this artist.
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“Scrap Metal” is the title of Lucien Smith's upcoming exhibition at Bill Brady/KC. While the show incorporates a variety of paintings, the focus is on a collection of readymade sculptures sourced from the annual Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot, which occurs each April in West Point, Kentucky. The objects re-contextualized here in a gallery setting range from automobiles to propane tanks to oil drums and other domestic items: all shot to smithereens with thousands of rounds of ammunition. For three days this past spring, these pieces were targets in a field where a wide array of weaponry fired upon them: handguns, assault rifles, fully automatic rifles and even a fully restored Gatling Gun from the Spanish American War.If the remains had not been sequestered by the artist, they would most certainly end up recycled as scrap metal at the local junk yard. To almost comic effect, the damage inflicted upon the objects is immediately apparent, revealing a level of violence many Americans never witness firsthand. In person the bullet-ridden sculptures can feel fictitious as if cartoon depictions rendered in three dimensions. And yet in many instances an organic quality bordering somewhere between coral and pumice stone emerges. The visual draw of these pieces triggers a complicated response in the viewer where one questions their own complicity in appreciating the beauty of such destruction when gun control is such a hot button issue in America. Complimenting the shot-up readymades are a pair of large scale camouflage paintings inspired by Japanese sumi-e ink calligraphy and Hokusai's famous The Great Wave at Kanagawa. Perhaps a knee-jerk association would be Warhol's foray into camouflage, but Lucien Smith's iterations are loaded with additional layers of cultural baggage, elevating them beyond natural disguise. Less prominently displayed is an old MasterCard advertisement also recycled here, but on canvas. The text proclaims that possessing their credit card is “a bit like saying please with a gun in your hand.” MasterCards copy is initially quite jarring in the midst of the other artwork on display, but reminds us that society's attitude towards firearms has fluctuated wildly over the centuries and that issues around the Second Amendment are as polarizing today as they were to our founding fathers.
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Post by paulypaul on Jul 12, 2013 23:46:34 GMT -8
Use of found object type art to make an unclear comment on a contemporary US societal issue. Ho hum. You can criticize the quality of the work all you want, but art isn't supposed to tell you what to think or tell you what the artist thinks. It's not journalism or a political comic strip. Rather a sweeping and inaccurate statement, unless you specifically mean this work. Much art is precisely journalism.. |
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Post by dotdot on Jul 13, 2013 5:42:12 GMT -8
You can criticize the quality of the work all you want, but art isn't supposed to tell you what to think or tell you what the artist thinks. It's not journalism or a political comic strip. Rather a sweeping and inaccurate statement, unless you specifically mean this work. Much art is precisely journalism.. Indeed some might also argue that some journalism is art in itself. Some journalists are failed artists and pop stars wish they could be actors and .. Well the list goes on. You might find some of banksy images are images of a photo journalist nature from the past , which makes them both political social comments and art all at the same time , perhaps that's why some people like and collect banksy. I'd say the same about shep but I won't as I don't rate his work, yes , I know it's terrible but hey free speech , right ? I don't know about where you are but it's 33degrees here the uk is going into meltdown. |
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Post by sam.register on Jul 30, 2013 9:00:02 GMT -8
The artist at work:  I wonder how much they're asking for these? |
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Post by drevil on Jul 30, 2013 12:01:15 GMT -8
Actually the artist would be the guy you can't see in that picture who is watching the pictured guy shoot at stuff.
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Post by sam.register on Jul 30, 2013 12:12:27 GMT -8
Actually the artist would be the guy you can't see in that picture who is watching the pictured guy shoot at stuff. No the pictured guy is the artist as he shot the holes in the found objects. |
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Post by vlcane on Aug 1, 2013 18:18:33 GMT -8
Fresh dude, we got it loud and clear, you are not a fan of this artists work!
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Post by volvic on Sept 12, 2013 10:06:28 GMT -8
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Post by sleepboy on Sept 12, 2013 11:03:05 GMT -8
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Post by artladval on Sept 13, 2013 16:30:25 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 7:17:41 GMT -8
This dude gets so much press and it's never really about his work, just who he knows. Why is he the chosen one? Who cares who he's dating? |
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Post by volvic on Oct 22, 2013 3:11:09 GMT -8
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Post by drevil on Oct 25, 2013 19:54:16 GMT -8
Thanks for posting. Interesting read. He says "like" too much though.  Btw, check out the first lot of the upcoming Phillips evening auction. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 21:40:00 GMT -8
I don't want to hate, but is he the only artist in the auctions under like 30 years old? There are some famous names there. He must be the nicest kid in the world or someone is trying to launder money. 18-25K? Lol:  What a joke for anyone involved in the art world. |
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Post by artcubed on Oct 25, 2013 22:57:59 GMT -8
Have I just seen a Lucien Smith canvas in a Phillips Evening Sale estimated at $100-150k? Can someone explain...?!
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Post by simococo on Oct 26, 2013 3:31:29 GMT -8
Have I just seen a Lucien Smith canvas in a Phillips Evening Sale estimated at $100-150k? Can someone explain...?! Price per sq foot |
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Post by artcubed on Oct 26, 2013 6:32:52 GMT -8
www.phillips.com/detail/LUCIEN-SMITH/NY010713/1Are there two Lucien Smith's by any chance as I can't quite get my head around this one; he's 24 years old, with no auction history, and has been put straight into an Evenings Sale with a painting (admittedly a large one) with an estimate of $100-$150k, but then Phillips are happy to still use incredibly conservative estimates of $20-30k for large Oscar Murillo works that have consistently smashed estimate since May... I'm all ears 
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